Something about Reiki

[donq]

If you are interested in Reiki (Healing Touch, Therapeutic Touch, hands-on healing etc.) no matter which part (to become a healer or just get a healing) but still feel hesitate (if not skeptical), this might help you make a decision, more or less.

Therapeutic Touch (somehow I prefer this one to the others) sometimes has nothing to do with the placebo effect/response at all. What is the placebo effect? I already posted some posts about it, so I won't talk about it here again. Besides, you can easily find its meaning on the internet. Just be careful about placebo (new drug trial) and the Placebo Effect. They are so different.
Okay, just in short here, the placebo effect happens when someone (a patient etc.) get something, say, a pill (sugar pill) which has no way to help/cure him, but it turns out it could help/cure him somehow.

Here's my real story:

Once I visited my nephew. He was around 8-9 years old then (cannot recall his age exactly, it's more than 30 years ago) then and got a sprained arm. He already got some medicine but still felt pain. I thought I should try something to help him. So I put my hand on his sprained arm and kept it there (and doing my therapeutic touch) without saying anything. He looked at me as if trying to understand what I was doing but still let me keep my hand there. Some moments later he said his pain was gone. And he said later that he felt as if there was some electricity flowing from my hand to his arm and called me "the electricity uncle". :-)
He was just a kid. He didn't know how to save my face like other adults (if it turned out that I failed). He said what he really felt. And his pain was really gone. He knew that I was not a doctor. No way he would believe that I could help/cure/heal him. So it had nothing to do with his belief. Therefore it somehow had nothing to do with the placebo effect at all. Except he believed that I was really trying to help and that was enough for him to make his role (unconsciously or without knowing it) by playing along with his role. Kind of it might be wrong if he didn't feel better. I read somewhere that this sometimes happens between a hypnotist and his client, too.

[honey]

Hi Monty,

Great post.

I was reading some of your earlier posts, one in which you refer almost sadly, that it appears people don't seem to be interested anymore in 'the spiritual' or working on their personal growth. I would say the Pandemic in the last 18 months has focused people's intention on 'the medical' 'technology' for answers. Prior to that I would also say I'd seen a decline, for want of a better word in interest in personal and spiritual growth. I think we've discussed it here before and my thoughts are these things are cyclical. I definitely think the 'fear factor'has had a big impact on people. In the olden days they would have turned to their holy men for comfort. Now technology seems to have taken that spot. And whilst I'm thankful for what science offers us, I think it leaves an imbalance. For man to be healthy, there is a need for balance, mind, body and spirit.

On to the Reiki, or Therapeutic touch. As you know I am a Reiki practicioner, and have seen first hand the comfort and healing this can offer. I was told by my Reiki master, that belief on the side of the recipient is not necessary. Only an open mind. These types of practices have been going on for thousands of years. They are not 'new age'. Simply a remembering, or reconnecting to an ability that we have always been able to tap into. I loved the story about your nephew. He had no preconceptions. No expectations of you. What better subject, to provide validity. To connect with this wonderful healing energy that surrounds us, is something we can all do. I for one do not practice as much as I did. And I know, that self healing would really benefit me. I've gotten lazy my friend lol Do you practice Self Healing, or does anyone else who comes on the forum. If you do, I would love to hear about it.

Love and light
Karen

[donq]

Hi Karen,

First, thanks to accompany me on this. I've started to feel that I am a crazy man talking to himself.

About people and the spiritual, yes, I did feel the way I told you. But do you know why I'm still come back here and still posting? The answer is I feel bad if I don't do anything (or at least come to check this site and read some posts from time to time).
Why I feel bad? Well, you were so right about technology seems to have taken our spots. It's good bad (as you used to tell me once many years ago). Let me give you an example, I used to order a rare book which costed me almost 400 USD from a second hand UK bookstore for my personal research. That time, 20 years ago or so, I could not access the internet in my country yet. To make the long short, now I can download this book for free on some Russian site. Is it illegal? Yes, sure. Then why the site's owner still risk doing it? Because they see the benefits for mankind!
And that's the reason why I feel I have to do something to support spirituality, more matter how little it is, and even I know that it has been already so declined.

About Reiki, yes, I recall we used to talk about this once. And you also corrected me that the (natural) healing comes from the part of the recipient, not the healer. I did agree then and I still do agree now (belief on the side of the recipient is not necessary).
As for me, as I told on another thread that I somehow lost my belief on these things, and vice versa? hahaha When I heal my nephew, my interest never focused on this, but something else (you might already know as we already talked about this for many years in the past).
About my self-healing, in the past 10 years, I've been studied so hard and focus all of my attention on hypnosis. It's the word that many people still misunderstand. If only we know why, as Erickson wrote, "a mother suffering extremely severe pain and all absorbed in her pain experience. Yet she forgets it without effort or intention when she sees her infant dangerously threatened or seriously hurt."
And why when we are watching our favorite TV program, then just realized later, after the program ended, that we were sitting on the plates all the time!
I believe the key is if only we can shift about attention from the pain to something else, hence the distraction, we can forget our pain and enhance our bodies' ability to naturally heal themselves faster and better.
Yes, but that might take a very long time to achieve it. Nowadays, I still have to use acupressure to help myself. It always works even I know the truth that it's not real (some medical research proved that even when we press the wrong acupoints, we still feel better; kind of our muscle like it to be press and release, and order our brains to create endorphin).
monty
P.S. I skip all the parts on how meditation will help. Kind of everyone already knows. Recently I watched TV series called, Shrink (2017) and was so surprise (if not so amazed). There was one scene, the main character talked about mindfulness. He talked about it so deep and even better than some masters of mindfulness I really knew or read about. And it was a comedy show, for Christ sake! hahaha This only means everyone already knows what's what. Be able to do it might be another story. :-)

[honey]

Hi Monty,

I am not surprised at the character in your comedy show talking about mindfulness. From watching many different types of shows, programmes of different genres, often there is an element of mindfulness that slips in. Its becoming interwoven into our modern lives in a very subtle way. So maybe all is not lost. The point, the word is still getting out there and circulating. And in many ways its becoming normal. Words like awareness, mindfulness, meditation, inner stillness. Are not so newagey now are they.

I was sat sitting with my 4 year old granddaughter Robyn yesterday. We sat in a bay window, feeling the sun on our faces. When I sit on the floor I always sit crosslegged. Always have. So she copied me. So there we are sat facing each other. And I said we are sat like little Buddha's aren't we. And she laughed. On impulse, I put my hands together and made the Buddhist greeting Namaste. She copied me immediately but did something, I had not done. As she said it, she bent her head to me as she said Namaste. It gave me goosebumps. I asked her if she had done that before. And she said, yes, at school. We have come a long way my friend.. and moving forward, I feel sure we will keep moving further. Inclusiveness and higher awareness, becoming a way of life. As I said, its all cyclical. And I know exactly where you are coming from, in wanting to give something back, and keep giving. Keep showing up on spiritual forums. Be the signpost, the teacher, the friend others are searching for. It is what you are, and cannot change. And thank goodness for people like you, George and Ace.

Love and light
Karen

[donq]

Hi Karen,

I was going to leave your post for a while, for letting it shows your name longer, in case someone really feels bore of my posts, but cannot resist myself. hahaha

Hmm...maybe I was surprised because after I've practiced mindfulness for 40 years, he (the writer of this very scene) talked about mindfulness even better than me? hahaha

Wow! The first read also gave me goosebumps (and you know I don't believe in this stuff). And "Eureka! After I read that Robyn used to do it before, at her school. Anyway, don't do that again, okay? How about, starting with she did it before at school might be a pretty good idea! (long sigh). I believe some people here (including me) are senior citizen and our hearts are not so good any more. :-)
(And why we always get goosebumps on something we don't know and the goosebumps are gone just after we know what's what-we might talk about this some time later).

I love compliments, more, more. hahaha
Kidding. Yes, partly because of George and Charlie (Ace) but it's also about circulating as you've just said, Karen. Let me tell you from my part, the first time I came here, almost 10 years ago?, I joined the chat room. I cannot recall the name of the woman who was the moderator then. She was a nurse or something. And she had to take care of her mother? Sorry my memory is not quite good as before. The point is she was my first impression here. She had her personal burden enough, she still dedicated her time and effort to come here, to help other people. Even if she did that for her job (I mean get paid), I still believed that she could do some other job that got better payment than this.
As for you, Karen. I could not imagine about how much time and effort you had spent here. Almost every time I and other posters posted, you replied or at least clicked like to show that you read it. This not to mention the time and effort you spent on the chatroom. You already were there and here. And if I remember it right, you posted more than 3,000 posts! I always admire and respect that. If there's something that inspired me to come back here even after you left, it was you and your hard work in the past, my friend.
Okay, that's enough for our compliment exchange? hahaha
monty

P.S. I was afraid that after I tried my best on this thread, someone just comes to ask, "Can you tell me what site you can download that book for free?"

P.P.S. I'll reply another thread later. Lets keep your name there for a while.

[honey]

Hi Monty,

Hahaha, well.... first of all she just said she just knew, then I pushed her and said did they do it at school. Then she said yes. But I don't know.. she could have just been agreeing with me, as it was easier. But oh my, she did it so naturally. And the way she bowed her head, was so natural. So I'm thinking there is something more going on here.

Aww Monty, I too love the compliments.. keep them coming hahaha.. still got to work on my ego, you see I loved it Monty, so it was never any hardship to me. I got so much from posting. And enjoyed reading the posts of others. I have found the spiritual path to be at times a very lonely one. So to find a place with likeminded others to share with, was a joy. I think many of us found this place when we were experiencing some dark times. I know I did. And it provided that light, that helped me to move forward. I enjoy the discussions and debates. I like to be challenged. I am open to the beliefs of others, and see more commonality than differences. That was the most beautiful thing about this site. Its inclusivity. Its welcome to everyone, no matter their beliefs or backgrounds. I still think sites like this have a very important role to play. I had to go away, but am back for as long as we are all able to meet here. Might be an idea though at some point to exchange emails. So we can keep in touch should the site go down. Which sadly, is a possibility.

Love and light
Karen

[donq]

Hi Karen,

Hmm...I was just my kidding about the way you told. Yes, I know what you meant. There was something really going on there and I could also sense it (without knowing what it was). But as you know I tried so hard to lose faith on it, but sometimes "it" never lost faith in me. You know there was a time when I had to deal with black magic, even I never believed in it, but it was real. I used to see that my spiritual teacher (an old venerable monk) also had to deal with it. It made him sick. Really. And it also made me sick (without explanation). I tried many ways to deal with it and finally found that the best way to deal with it is DON'T believe in it. Simple as that.
If the dark side is real, the bright/light side is not (as in Robyn's case, which made me pretty good goosebumps). But again, I'll my beast not to believe in this stuff anymore.
Good to hear that you also love the compliments. I thought I was alone on this. hahaha
Oh! The site might go down? Really? Very sad to hear. Okay, but how can we exchange emails without posting here?
monty
P.S. On the second thought, here's my email address. You can write me any time (and please let me know about our other's friends' email address, too. Though I have FB but haven't used it many years. Too difficult to me.

P.P.S. I start to worry about Lorraine (and Robert-mojomojo). She would never have missed this. I somehow trust her special sense. And Robert, he always showed in the time like this. And Ace? Hope they're all alright.

[donq]

Oh! it didn't allow.

The name was already right. Just add yahoo mail.

[gruntal]

As I have often lamented I have precious little in the way of validation in anything spiritual. I normally do not feel anything. I was attending a local spiritual meeting and the guest guru was a Reiki type. When it was my time for a demonstration I willingly accepted but not expecting anything to happen. She just waved her hands over my head. I felt sort of light headed but not exactly faint. For a moment I really wondered if I was elevated with enough energy to do astral travel! It had nothing to do with belief - I thought my consciousness was straining to leave my inadequate body.

[donq]

Hi Gruntal,

Thanks for posting your post. I've just seen that I wrote something very wrong.
Here's my correcting:
If the dark side is real, why the bright/light side is not
(as in Robyn's case, which made me pretty good (light/bright) goosebumps)
Sorry, Karen. My bad.

Okay, back to George.
Can you give us more detail when she waved her hands over your head, and what exactly you felt?
Thanks

[honey]

Hi Monty,

Strictly speaking we are not supposed to exchange emails. But I think under the circumstances  to make it possible for those of us who have been here for many years to keep in touch, I think we can make an exception. We can delete as people acknowledge they have the info. 

[donq]

Okay, got it. You can delete yours now. Me, too.

Will send something to you after this.

[gruntal]

It is hard to describe how I felt because English does not have the words for it and I never felt that way before. Suffice to to say I felt energetic. Not an easy feat when you have chronic congestive heart failure. My body always weighs me down and even my brain can suffer from lack of oxygen. I take many naps during the day just to keep going.

For once I felt more alive. I was truly feeling like physical existence did not matter. Like a person just starting to awaken from a sleep. But it wasn't like a drug influenced euphoria or "runner's high". I just felt like I was about to see things without my eyes or body. Or having to travel anywhere to get there.

[honey]

Hi George,

What a great experience you had. Its been some years since I received spiritual healing from a church healer. Same energy, just a slightly different way of opening up to channel. Its a sensation that is hard to put into words. For me it felt warm and loving. I also felt light. 

An interesting experiment I took part in once was when talking in a negative way, how heavy I felt. When focusing on positivity, happiness, how light I felt. What we think definitely can influence how we feel. So to receive something outside of ourselves that lifts us and makes us feel happy, warm, well and light, is very special.

Thank you for sharing

Love and light
Karen

[donq]

Hi Gruntal,

Thanks for your reply.
Your answer made me wonder again. True, I believe what Karen said (and she got first-hand experiences) that it's not about the healer, but the recipient. But what made you feel the way you felt? Energetic? And what made my nephew felt about electricity? Were those feelings only in your mind and my nephew? If that the case, how could your Reiki guru do that to you, and in my case, to my nephew (even I was not and never trained in Reiki at all.)
As for my nephew, how could he imagine about electricity? And you, felt energetic. That meant, I and that Reiki guru had to do something to induce that, right?

And in Karen's case, she felt warm and loving. Was that only in her mind, too?

P.S. to Karen, I've got it.

[gruntal]

What I felt had nothing to do with emotions or belief . I am probably the worse nightmare for a motivation speaker hoping for a receptive audience. I felt like I was about to experience everything around me just by thinking about it and realizing it. All my gurus claim to be able to do this but this one actually managed to transfer some of her energy to me without actually touching me.

Well another one hit me with a tuning fork that gave me a noticeable jolt but that is another story for another time ...

[mojomojo]

Hello to all, and Honey, I don’t believe we have met before,
I haven’t really been looking in of late, but it was good to see so much activity, and Monty back with such gusto.
I do hope you all have been keeping well, in these strange times.
I don’t have much to offer, as my spirituality has been put on hold, if that’s possible.
It has been so long since I engaged in spiritual practice of any kind, I won’t go into the reasons why, as they have probably been over documented in past posts.
It’s a strange position, I haven’t forgotten anything, I learned through the years, and deep down still think and feel the same way, but from my experience, the vast majority do not, and in that you are left vulnerable.
I recall, many years back now, doing the masters in Glastonbury, where we had to sit in front of another person, but at a distance, and in turn work on the other, guess it was a short version of distance healing.
While been worked on, I felt a build up of energy in my chest, which then radiated in all directions.
Talking to the lady in question after, her intention was to send love to my heart and to allow it to expand.
Later in that course I found out, that lady, was on limited time, she had a fatal disease, but such an open and loving soul.

Mojomojo

[donq]

Hi Robert,

just a very short message here. I'm in the middle of something

Very very glad to see you here again.

Honey is Karen! Our Kaz!

[donq]

Hi again, Robert

About that lady, it was beautiful, and a bit sad about her condition.
But again, back to what I wonder, the lady "intended" to send her love (energy) to your heart, right? And you felt some energy built up in your chest, which was your heart, and you didn't know what she was doing until talking to her later, right?
My question, no, my curiosity is that energy came from her, or you. She induced it, or you did it by yourself (whether you knew it or not)? Could you induce it by yourself without her? Or even you just thought she did it, then you still could do it? But why the same and exact position, chest-heart? It should have some connection between her intention to send it to your heart and your feeling in your chest, not somewhere else.

I'm not serious about the answers of these questions, just thinking to myself out loud here. hahaha

P.S. How are you? And Chistina, right? Sorry my memory is not so good lately. Hope both of you are fine.

P.P.S. You know how to contact Lorraine? One of our old friends really loves to contact her.

[mojomojo]

Are you serious, monty.
My apologies Kaz, maybe my memory is fading, but you look so different than what I remember.
Life must be good to you, you look very well and have a wonderful air of peace and tranquility.
I’m quite taken back, at how I got that wrong.
As regards the lady in question, if the energy is there anyway, and her intent had effect, ie. I felt the result, it suggests all three are connected in some way.
Could the same be done by yourself, I have no reason to doubt it.
When I was working on her, I visualised myself standing behind, it was the first thing she said to me, with a knowing smirk on her face, “ I could feel you standing behind me.”
We are both keeping very well, in these strange times.
I pop in every now and again, but for the most part, it can be very quite, have not seen Lorraine post for a while.

Robert.

[donq]

Wait a minute! Hope I didn't misread something. First, you were the recipient, then later you were the healer, right? Or you were the healer all along? If that is so (the latter), I really did misread it. Sorry.

P.S. About Kaz, let find some private place to talk about her.

[mojomojo]

Recipient first, healer later.

I’m still stunned, I did not recognise her, well that’s what happens when you change your username.👌

[honey]

Hi Robert,

Its good to see you again. Its ok, a new username will throw you.

I'm in a good place. Back home in Wales, my family close by. A job, which was a big change of profession for me that I enjoy doing, which gives me a great sense of purpose and personal satisfaction. I just wish I'd discovered it sooner. I'm probably the wrong age to start, but better late than never. I look after the elderly in their own homes as a community carer. I ride a bike to my calls. That in itself was a challenge I can tell you lol but I love it.

The last 2 1/2 years have been very challenging, rewarding, scary all rolled into one. But it forced me out of my comfort zone. The downside was, so focused have I been on learning a new skill, and reconnecting with my family that my spiritual journey, growth side if you can call it that, has taken a back seat. As a carer, when the pandemic hit, I was busier than I'd ever been. But on reflection, now talking to you about it, I can see all the above has been very much a spiritual journey as well as a practical one. And I have learnt so much from it. I've always been a cup half full person, rather than half empty. And even though it was and still is a horrendously stressful time for everyone. I think we've all probably learned some very valuable lessons, insights from it. Who'd have thought the whole world would come to see so fast that money can't buy health, happiness, or that a good hug from loved ones more precious than anything else in the world. Emotionally, and spiritually, I think there has been a huge shift. I don't know if you or the other's agree?

God, how I have missed this place and you all. I'm so happy to be back.

Love and light
Karen

[mojomojo]

Hello Kaz,
welcome back, I have always been of the opinion, that those who leave home to start a new life elsewhere, no matter how successful, leave a part of themselves behind, in short there is no place like home.
I hope my memory serves me correct, but didn’t your vocation as a carer start a while back, tending to the needs of your mother, it can be quite a stressful job, but as you say the sense of purpose must be very fulfilling, it’s a very noble vocation, Kaz.
I would like to think you are right, and there has been a huge shift, I guess time will tell.
Welcome home.



Robert.

[aceofcups]

ahh.. here is another groups of posts I am just reading.   Again nice to see you all here alive and kicking. I personally am more into spirituality and energy healing then ever.  Just in different virtual ways and on Zoom... well this place was always virtual also.   But I take lots of classes and go to meditations and on-line energy healing sessions more then ever theses days since the Pandemic hit with many and varied like-mind souls.

Rereading earlier posts with Donq original post here in this thread.  I do a lot of therapeutic touch healing theses days.  It is working with our energy fields of consciousness.  To my understanding and experiences we are multidimensional beings and we are giving off and take in energy every moment from different fields of consciousness within us.   One can learn to work with it or be a better instrument for healing energies with understanding, practice and intention.  Our Energetic Auric fields are effecting others all the time.  But anyone who has made meditation and living a spiritual life - can just more naturally can be instruments for helping or healing others - some unconsciously, some more consciously.   The process of working with another person depends on state of being of yourself and of person your working with and their karmic blueprint.    Spiritual healing is sharing universal compassionate energy ( chi or qi),,, and end results are not really in our hands... but if the karma blueprint of person your working on is suppose to be "healed or even helped"  you can be an instrument for sharing that universal healing energy effecting their life at a specific period in their life cycle because in one sense it is our own Higher self knows if healing will work or not and to what degree.   Helping and healing can take place on the physical, emotional ( psychological), mental and deeper spiritual fields of consciousness.

peace
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