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Post by Leon on Mar 31, 2018 15:29:47 GMT
If people had never worshipped God nor even thought of the concept. What do you think people would of done instead? Would people be bereft of a moral compass? Would people fear dying with no concept of life after death? What would take God's place in people's minds if the concept of God had never begun?
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Post by gruntal on Apr 1, 2018 0:46:04 GMT
It is argued human beings have a hereditary inclination to seek out their creator. Certainly there are a number of humans that are more then willing to point the way - at some price of control. But even in the absence of church and dogma we believe in right or wrong. The Rosicrucians call this your conscious. Shame and guilt do not always come from society. When anyone experiences regret it is because they think they could have done things better even without the fear of retribution.
I can usually catch my skeptical friends who don't believe in God by asking them why they still do acts of charity. Likewise I can justify my Libertarian politics by pointing out the "system" i.e. government does not have a monopoly of trying to help. There was even a fraternity called the Odd Fellows that did good things for no apparent reason.
To sacrifice one's self - even a little bit - is too imply there is something that lasts beyond the now and present. As God never ends so shall it must be with us and what we do. "Show me your faith without deeds and I will show you my faith with my deeds". Even the most ardent atheist can be very spiritual when they have a commitment to service.
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Post by aceofcups on May 3, 2018 1:38:37 GMT
Humans are an evolving species on personality levels of their being over many lives. But they are also connected with Spirit which is where they came from and Their Essence -- even though their personality may not know it. It is said earlier humans were more connected to the Animal level of their consciousness.. and were and some still are very self oriented for many many lives.
The spiritual dimensions are always THERE but may be dormant to different degrees of awareness. So to my understanding the awakening to an understanding that a multidimensional Higher awareness exists within - will happen but humanity as an over-all species (some individuals understand it now) still has a way to go in evolution.
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sparklekaz
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Post by sparklekaz on May 3, 2018 9:13:19 GMT
Hi ace,
I really liked the way you have conveyed your thoughts about mans spiritual nature. In particular when you said "Humans are an evolving species on personality levels of their being over many lives. But they are also connected with Spirit which is where they came from and Their Essence -- even though their personality may not know it."
I have always been an avid reader, in particular I have been deeply interested in the lives of different cultures. Particularly in regard to their culture, spiritual beliefs and the relationship they have with their God or God's. It never ceases to amaze me, how similar beliefs and rituals can be, even though thousands of miles lie between them. I agree with you when you said "It is said earlier humans were more connected to the Animal level of their consciousness.. and were and some still are very self oriented for many many lives." But I also think that earlier humans were much more connected to, sensitive and open to spirit energy. And this is what fascinates me.
I know that our knowledge and understanding of the world, our use of technology, has taken away a lot of the mystery for us. To our ancestors, many things which we now know are natural phenomena, would have evoked superstitious feelings of awe and dread. They would have prayed to their Gods to protect them. Or believed the phenomena itself was a manifestation of spirit and a threat. Their lives were fraught with danger and risk. Life was very fragile and cheap. Though, modern living is not without risk as we know. It is of a totally different kind. And that high level of stress we have not experienced. Unless one lives in a war zone of course. Or facing drought and starvation through famine. A belief in a afterlife and the protective powers of their gods, was probably the only thing that gave them courage and sustained them when things became very tough. A belief system, gave them comfort and made them feel less alone.
Native people tended to live much more in harmony with their environment, whereas today, though some do, many do not. Only recently, relatively speaking woken up to the knowledge of the damage we are doing. And what we have already lost. I have often wondered about this change, and come to believe as we have become more knowledgeable and intelligent, have we have lost something very precious. Not blind superstition without reason. But this acute awareness of our environment, and a mind that is an open pathway to the divine. Some may not agree with me, but I believe that a spiritual awareness is innate. That we all have a deep need for it in our lives. And without it, many can feel incomplete, without even knowing why.
You have probably explained why man/woman has always had a need and awareness of spirit. And as you have said, we are after all spiritual beings. But I have often wondered, when did that 'first moment' of spiritual awe and awareness take place in man's, psyche. Evidence has shown that even Neanderthal man, and other early species of homo sapiens, Cro-Magnon, have left archaeological evidence that show they had a form of ritual connected to birth and death, which denotes this higher awareness. Who was the first self aware sentient being, who stood and looked out, and felt within them the first stirrings of a feeling, awareness that transcended themselves. A thought or belief of a spiritual dimension - a higher energy, connected to their environment, creation and beyond.
Love and light
Kaz
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Post by aceofcups on May 3, 2018 19:43:45 GMT
Kaz..
nice post.
I agree with you but also the Esoteric understanding of Evolution says that at earlier stages in its history general humanity were more "instinctively" aware of feeling and energies of nature. Instinctively psychic - but evolution has since then awakened the "Mind-Manas" principle in some of humanity making humans eventually being able to co-create with nature. Again some being are more able and aware of this then others. Early stages of having the Mind principle can feel like it is a step backward to some. But in the understanding the Full picture of where we are heading it is a step forward looking at it from an evolving awareness point of view.
Some groups of people in history were very blindly group oriented. Which is part of a past instinctual consciousness. Evolution says we are moving towards a true sense of "Individuality" ( not personality separateness). Where conscious individuals will come together to work for the greater good of all. And be very attuned to the energy of the emotional, mental, and spiritual aspects within oneself and others. And also be attuned to Inner Higher Will and levels of God consciousness. This is moving forward towards a "conscious higher psychism". Not just opening up and blindly picking up energy... some beneficial/some less so.
peace
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Post by sparklekaz on May 3, 2018 21:08:12 GMT
Hi Ace, I really loved the way you expressed the following. "Evolution says we are moving towards a true sense of "Individuality" ( not personality separateness). Where conscious individuals will come together to work for the greater good of all. And be very attuned to the energy of the emotional, mental, and spiritual aspects within oneself and others. And also be attuned to Inner Higher Will and levels of God consciousness. This is moving forward towards a "conscious higher psychism". That was so beautifully put Ace. I do hope this is true. I would love to be around then. Probably not in this lifetime lol, but God willing, in another... In some far off time and place. Perhaps I will see you there.  Love and light Kaz |
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Post by syedali2020 on Oct 24, 2020 10:37:08 GMT
If people had never worshipped God nor even thought of the concept. What do you think people would of done instead? Would people be bereft of a moral compass? Would people fear dying with no concept of life after death? What would take God's place in people's minds if the concept of God had never begun? Hi This is a popular topic but one fundamental question that’s overridden when discussing this topic is god physical or not physical? If god is physical then you have to identify who your god is because physically God must be on this earth if the belief is god is physical? Now, if god is physical then god was also created by his lord surely? For example, in the English language we have words like landlord. The question arises, are we expected to understand God (who has a lord and is on this earth) or the lord of the god? Delegation and bureaucracy is in every field and it’s the same in religion as well..... |
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Post by mojomojo on Dec 11, 2020 10:16:43 GMT
I do believe the alternative to God, is what we have now.
People who believe this is it, you live once, get what you can by any means possible, money and power is the goal.
Then again why should they be any other way, if they have not experienced anything other than the ego mind.
As each generation passes do you think, they become more greedy, more materialistic or not, are we headed in the right direction or not.
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