Is it possible to have a negative twin flame?

[milkyway]

Is it possible that your twin flame can be a negative? It is like one is yin and one is yang? But they both go together? 

[donq]

Hi Milkyway,

I was not sure what a Twin flame is (heard only a soulmate), so I did some search. Here are some explanation I found:

Twin flames, also called twin souls, are literally the other half of our soul. We each have only one twin, and generally after being split the two went their separate ways, incarnating over and over to gather human experience before coming back together...
Each twin is a complete soul, not half a soul. It is their task to become more whole, balancing their female and male sides, and ideally become enlightened, before reuniting with their twin. This reunion is of two complete and whole beings. All other relationships through all our lives could be said to be "practice" for the twin, the ultimate relationship.

Hmm....if that's the case, then I don't think Twin flame is like yin&yang. Yin&Yang are "the forces of everything in the universe that are in constant motion. As the movement continues, each of the forces of energy gradually changes to the other, yin to yang and yang to yin."
Twin flame doesn't change to the other, twin1 to twin2, and twin2 to twin1, right?
Besides, the creation of yin and yang is to destroy each other, not to support each other like twin flames. hahaha

Okay, just kidding. Seriously, yin and yang are just the way to talk about Tao/dao. Here the so cool explanation I like:

"The sages knew Tao was difficult to speak of. Therefore they borrowed yin and yang to speak of it, saying, 'one yin and one yang are what is meant by tao.' One yin and one yang is a way of saying yin and yang have not yet interacted and things have not yet come into being. There is no metaphor for approximation of tao more exact than this. As soon as yin and yang interact they bring things into being.
-Su shih (1037–1101)

With this cool (and exact) meaning of yin and yang, everything, I mean everything, literally comes into being because of its opposite side. 

And this is just to say that I don't know much about Twin flame. hahaha.

[sparklekaz]

Hi Milkyway,

I guess it depends on what your definition of a soul mate is. Most people think a soul mate is someone who they are meant to spend the rest of their lives with. Or that they are their perfect fit, they compliment each other and will if they meet - 'live happily after after'. My take on Twin Flames or Soul Mates and their purpose is a bit different.

I think a true soul mate is a mirror, the person who shows you everything that is holding you back, the person who brings to your attention all the things you need to work on so that you can live a life in which you understand yourself better and what you need to achieve a happier, more fulfilling life. I believe we agree to meet up in this life-time, in such a way that will be beneficial to both of us. But no one said the connection or the lessons we will learn from each other, will be all sweetness and light or that we will stay together forever. A favourite quote of mine is by Elizabeth Gilbert from her semi autobiographical book 'eat, pray, love'. She says "A true soul mate is probably the most important person you'll ever meet, because they tear down your walls and smack you awake. But to live with a soul mate forever? Nah. Too painful. Soul mates, they come into your life just to reveal another layer of yourself to you, and then leave."

This really made sense to me and helped me to view soul mate relationships from a different perspective. It also explains a lot about why people embark on relationships that scream 'red flag' and yet cannot seem to help themselves, so intensely drawn are they to that person. All common sense seems to fly out of the window. It is as if their soul recognizes the purpose of this meeting and over-rides the logical/analytical aspect of the mind. So important is the soul lesson we need to learn from that experience.

Over and over again, we hear that real growth tends to occur within situations and relationships that will test us to the limit; Rarely are these encounters only loving and harmonious ones are they? I believe we can be in a soul mate relationship to learn. And when we have learnt what we needed to know, it's likely we will go our separate ways. For no one can live for an indefinite period in such a state of upheaval and angst can they? Well, maybe some do. But then it becomes more about lack of self esteem and respect and fear of change. Even if a change in their circumstances would be better for them. And that my friends is a subject in itself, a whole new topic.

I'm not saying I don't believe in 'love at first sight', or that we are not able to find someone to love, who will love us back with an equal passion and commitment. I am sure we all know someone who has. What I am saying is, that Soul Mates or Soul Flames can do what they have to do for us, without it being within a traditional loving relationship. It can be dysfunctional and toxic. Indeed some might say, that from a spiritual perspective, this is the most noble and selfless way of demonstrating unconditional love. Though when an individual is in it, it must be hard to see that. It's only only reflection do we realize, that the worst time of your life, might have been the best time in terms of growth. How many of us have found ourselves saying when talking about a difficult period in our lives: "I'm grateful for the lesson it taught me". People may have to wait several another lifetimes to find the right conditions for a more harmonious 'coming together' with their soul mate/twin flame. But if our souls are eternal, the wait wont hurt us, will it! Just my thoughts on this.

Love and light
Kaz

[aceofcups]

Hi Milkyway...

My two cents on question ..

I have heard what some new age people believe about twin-flames etc... but is not totally how I understand it from an esoteric point of view.

I think our Soul ( also called our Higher Self,  which contains the essence of all of our past incarnations) does connect with other Beings over many lives. Those we have evolved with over many lives form a Group .. they are part of  what is called our"Soul Group" as it were.    One could have been romantically involved with another Being from our Soul Group over many lives... ie called our Soul Mate,,, but we also could be involved with more then one person romantically from our Group Soul being we live numerous lives, playing different parts and roles. 

Others in our Soul group want us to evolve   -- but sometimes that could mean coming back together in physical incarnation as one person being the nemesis for the the others growth,,, one who challenges us.   From our personality awareness  we don't always know the full picture of what we choice to learn from and with others.   Our Higher Self does along with our guides etc.

Many people do feel an intuition about others,,, which some times could mean a soul connection,,, other times it could just be our fanciful desires playing out.

So not sure if that is what you meant as the other half of our Soul Mate being in a yin-yang-  that could be the one who challenges us?


peace
aceofcups

[milkyway]

HMMM yeah maybe I didn't really put my question right, I thought yin and yang were two that made one? two forces that you couldn't have one without the other. I don't know much about twin flames, but I understand the concept of another soul coming back to be your nemesis and challenge you. I have known this person for nine years and I feel as though they drain me, literally I cannot shake this person, I feel no desire for this person at all except exhaustion! Perhaps this person feels drawn to me but I feel they are negative. So I just wondered if this person was a negative twin soul, but by the sounds of it probably not. They are just an annoying person haha!

[donq]

Hi Milkyway,

I think that you will be the only person who can tell what's what, right?
From my painful experiences (of being divorce twice), I think it's not that complicated. Just try to trust your instinct. We always make things more complicated than they really are. There's s saying, "First thought, best thought"
So, what was yout first thought about this person?   

[aceofcups]

 Been listening to a wonderful set of audio tapes by James Hillman on Psychological Alchemy and this thread brought up some Jungian stuff to my mind about the question...

From a Jungian Psychology perspective ..each person has both the Ying and Yang qualities within their Being at some level.  It is not that one is negative and one is positive,, more that it is of a different type and configuration of energy and how it psychologically and practically manifests in a person's life.    Like the image of the Yin-Yang image within the Circle of Wholeness,, there is a white circle in the black half and in the white half there is a black circle.  At our Core we have both energies, even when one seems to be manifesting and playing out stronger of one quality over the other.

In Jungian Psychology all females have a Animus male archetypal image side within their psyche and all Males have a Anima female archetypal image within their psyche. The people we attract many times are reflections of these images and qualities we hold within.

The Wholeness within us from our Soul Level of consciousness urges us to confront those things within ourselves which are uncooked seeds, that makes us un-balanced, things and people that annoy us, other times with things and people which nourish us,,,  they get played out from the relationships of all kinds which manifest in our life. They are the projections of what is happening in our inner psyche, made manifest.

that is why it is said,,, we have to face our own shadows at times to become Whole.

just my two cents

peace
aceofcups

[sparklekaz]

Lovely reply ace, I really enjoyed reading it, and it did make a lot of sense to me. The interesting thing about the anima/animus is how so much of what we see in our counterpart, is totally a projection of what we want to see. Rather what is actually there. Therefore explaining why so many really intense attractions burn out, once that illusion has been punctured.

Love and light
Kaz