Acceptance

[beatrice]



Something I wrote down last night after quite a difficult year. The big question has been why do I continue to work full time in a very stressful job while having neurological chronic pain and and a disability. With daily ward rounds becoming more and more physically challenging and the pig headiness of me will not accept help or even a seat, when it's obvious I am in need.  

I have been so ego driven that I can't show any vulnerability. Indeed I would not accept my obvious physical limitations.
What's going through my head- there is nothing wrong with me,
I can do what I used to before the cancer.
I am strong?  My husband would always be concerned and my answer has always been " without this determination I would not have got back walking or back to work"  so maybe ego is not all bad ? Does it have its place ? 

I have been reflecting and started to find some inner peace. I think it's time for me to accept my physical limitations and move back to Ireland and leave London. My life here in London has just an existence with little quality till recently.  In face its been feeding my ego I think. Yes I am doing a lot of good with my clinical work helping children with their illness and their recovery but is driving me to near exhaustion. Why So I can say I am a good medic . It this where I get my self worth
how wrong is that
time to make some significant changes I think and live........

Woild love to hear your thoughts,

Since starting to look into the spiritual side of life and how I fit in I have completely make 360 degree turn and since been attuned to Reiki this has process has certainly accelerated

Many thanks for listening 
Bee

[gruntal]

One of the things that never ceases to amaze me is, when investigating the biographies of successful people in the realm of spirituality, is how many of them died early. Their measure of success surely could not be measured in how long they lived or even how well they took care of themselves. So if it is any consolation I think many would trade places with you if they got a chance to do anything worth while. But then again old age catches up with you very fast when you are active beyond your physical means.

I think at some point you have the right to bail out and enjoy your remaining years . The only problem is you might retire in theory but still be called to do things until your dieing day. I do not think now I could stand London. I could not stand Los Angeles.

Only you can know when your duty is done and it is time to do for yourself in more serene surroundings.

[tribunalofmercy]

Hi Bee Thank you for sharing so candidly with us; in spite of this being a public forum I have come to feel strongly that it is "safe" to do so. I believe many of the turning points in our lives come from times of self-reflection - and sometimes that 'self-reflection' seems to back us into a corner until we Pay Attention, you know? Those lovely times when we ask, with growing awareness, "Why??"


it is Definitely Good work that you have been doing Yet if it costs your Own peace, what is subtly being shared with those being helped? The idea that "helping" comes at the very Price of peace and health? For there is Always something 'conveyed' below the surface.... Sometimes it seems we have no choice; though I believe it routinely Seems that way, still I do not Believe it. There is a time for Each part of our lives.


I'm glad to hear how Much difference these spiritual changes are making for you - may your decision be a Wise one, and one that brings peace to you Both.



On a side note, your very message couldn't have come at a better time for Me...there is someone in my life now, uniquely sent to 'back me into a corner and gently push my buttons' regarding self-worth, ego, control issues, limitations and Growth, and the words you have shared resonate this Very day - thank you

[cyberangel]

Hi Beatrice

I think sometimes we think we are stronger than we actually are...I mean while our spirit is strong and willing our bodies are not so much...and sometimes when we ignore what we feel we should do then spirit steps in and speaks directly to our body.

Sometimes things happen illness and such not as a way of trying to kill us but as a way of trying to get us to slow down...tto step back and possibly revaluate a situation or lifestyle.

We are all used to putting our own needs behind others that WE feel are more urgent or worthy...but sometimes appearances are deceiving...tthose we think need help are sometimes the ones that need the push to do it themselves...not always the case but sometimes it is.

I think the only acceptance we need in this life is our own! Those who truly love will love us regardless and those who dont well no matyer what you do you will not change their view and its not our place to change anyones view anyway.

I think as with life our paths change direction sometimes its a little push and then other times its a huge shove lol. I've leatned to look at change as a good thing...whether im sure or not at the time it always works out in the end.

The hardest part about a change is not knowing the outcome before hand but if we did maybe we would resist and miss out on a lot of growth.

Anyway back to acceptance...the hardest acceptance to attain is our own. I think you and your husband are in wonderful hands with each other gently guidimg the other I feel that you are both strong spirits and will eventually decide on what feels right...just fight the urge to argue with spirit lol

God bless

Love and Light

[sparklekaz]

Hi Beatrice..

I think of life as a series of cycles, and that those cycles have a natural conclusion. For some it may be that they decide that they want to do something else with their lives. Sometimes this can happen purely spontaneously, at other times, a catalyst of some sort can initiate it. From what you have said, your determination to get back to doing your job, was the fire, the motivation you needed to live life as normally as possible while you had cancer and in recovery. So in that sense, I believe it was invaluable in getting you back on your feet. I have no doubt that what you do is incredibly important and has made a massive difference to the people you have helped. So being able to go back to work full-time, must have felt a real achievement and did much to make you feel, for want of a better word, 'normal' again.

But as we both know, work is only one aspect of our lives, albeit in your case an incredibly important one. But there are lots of other ways you can be of service and help others, in a less demanding way. I think it is also important to remember, non of us are indispensible, and though you may feel guilty at thinking of giving it up, there will be other's to take your place. Their time to contribute and take up the good work you were doing. To learn and experience as you have done. It is not selfish to think of yourself and your family, and to be wise enough to recognize your own limitations. Your self reflection and self analysis shows great insight. And this is an incredibly important part of your spiritual growth. The reiki course you have been on, will have definitely opened you up more and many experience this deep soul searching and questioning the direction their life is going in. And whether the path they are currently on, is still right for them. You are not an automaton. You are a human being who deserves to give herself the same patience, love and compassion as you give so unselfishly to others.

It is not failing or giving up, to change direction Beatrice. It is just time to expand your horizons and doing something different. I believe as we get older.. our focus moves from career and status, to seek out ways of living our lives that hold more spiritual meaning. Where quality of life and peace of mind become more important. Many of us define ourselves by our jobs and how we are perceived by others. But I do believe there comes a time where we must take care of our own needs. I don't need to tell you that stress isn't good for anyone, especially someone who has gone through a life threatening illness. Think of it in another way. Would continuing as you are, under the pressure that you are feeling, be detrimental to your long-term health? What would you advise someone you really cared about, who was in your position? I'm willing to bet you would advise them to seriously cut down on their working hours and take a less stressful position. Or even moving away to somewhere peaceful, where their spirit can breathe, and the body relax. Ireland is a beautiful place. I'm guessing Lorraine's pictures have sparked within you a yearning.

You know what you need to do Beatrice.. in your heart you've already decided. Go with the heart..

Love and light
Kaz

[beatrice]

I must firstly apologise to all you for your wonderful replies . My initial posting was quite apt, as following this post I ended up in hospital very ill for some time. Well it looks like spirit has other plans for me as my question was answered in a most physical manor. I expect they decided that a physical  effect was needed as I was not listening. Well I am listening now and been signed off work for the forcible future and am concentrating on getting better rand developing spiritually . I am hoping to continue with reiki and since this decision has been made everything is so much clearer
many thanks again to you all for your wonderful words and advice
and promise to have more of a presence on forum in the future
Beatrice 
xxxx

[cyberangel]

Hi Bernice

So lovely to see you posting again and no need for apologies

I am so sorry to hear of your health problems and I pray you will heal and feel better soon. Spirit sure knows how to get us to listen eh? Lol. I have also been laid up unexpectedly. I suddenly developed iron deficiency anaemia and my haemoglobin went from 15 down to 9 and I lost over a stone in just under 2 weeks. That was a few months ago and my haemoglobin is up to 11.4 now and I'm feeling so much better thankfully. I still have to continue to take the iron tablets and have my bloods checked...and the docs have no idea what caused the sudden drop especially with no visable blood loss...a bit of a mystery.

I had loads of tests but nothing showed up what was causing the anaemia. Anyway I'm slowly getting back on my feet again and feeling a lot more energetic which is great as I was so weak before...no energy...painful abdomen. ..out of breath and racing heart along with high blood pressure. Was a very scary time for me and my family. Anyway please god my healing will continue.

Its so very hard to find oneself very vunerable to fate...I found I was fighting myself to try and keep going but ended up bedridden for a couple of weeks. I wasn't able to concentrate on anything even my spirituality. I just felt like everything had shut down on me and all I could do was sleep and rest...it was only when I realised that I could not control what was happening to my body that I allowed it to rest and then the healing began.

My body (animal instinct) started to crave for the strangest things...like soil lol. I kid you not I wanted so bad to go outside and just lick the dirt and even though the thought of it repelled me I seriously had to fight the urge to try lol. Then I had this serious craving for mangos...I couldn't eat enough of them...i liked them before I got sick but needed them like my life depended on them when I was ill. I was telling my gp all this thinking he would laugh at me...but he said that I must be very in tune with my body as soil/dirt craving is common in iron deficiency and apparently mangos are high in iron...something I had no knowledge about...but my body sure did.

I found that amazing that my body knew exactly whay it needed to help repair itself. It made me question...How did my body know? What did it sense about the fruit and dirt that it knew these contained the iron my body needed. Im still blown away by it really. I mean was spirit speaking to my body without my knowledge? Or was nature communicating with my body? The mind boggles...but its reassuring to know that instinctively we already know what we need to heal ourselves...if we listen.

So glad to have you back again Beatrice and I hope you will feel better soon and remember...listen to your body it knows more than we think

Love and Light

[mojomojo]

Hello Lorraine,
Please forgive me for jumping in on someone else's post,
I'am sorry to hear of your health difficulties.
You may have received this offer from other members here already, or maybe we are not meant to offer on forum, guess I will find out sooner or later,
but I would like to send you some energy, if you are willing to accept, will not be able to do it today as photographers and estate agents calling all day.
But would love to do it tomorrow, if you are happy to accept, just give me a time tomorrow or any day after, and if you are not inclined, no harm done.
Hope you get back to normal, as soon as possible,
Robert.

[cyberangel]

Hi Robert

Firstly thank you so much for your lovely kind offer which I gratefully and gracefully accept. You are so very kind and thoughtful and I really do appreciate it. Anytime that suits you my friend and I am willing to accept your healing energy

Without going into too much detail here I have a lot of inflammation on and around my coxis bone which has become extremely painful these past few months and has gradually spread...according to doctor it is separate to my anaemia but I feel that the 2 are connected as both conditions happened very close (within 8 weeks apart) I will be seeing a specialist soon next month at hospital so fingers crossed.

I have been trying to work on my root chakra but because my energy has been so low I have not been able to rise my vibrations enough myself. So my friend I really do appreciate your help but please dont feel any pressure to do it...I mean if something crops up in the meantime and you cant do it dont worry as I have accepted your intention and my spirit will be ready when you are

I will also keep both you and Beatrice in my daily prayers. My heart goes out to you both as its been tough for you and yet you both still help others Did you both come to a decision about moving back to Ireland? I do hope everything works out for you both and that you'll both be happy

I've not been posting much myself on forum lately but I will also try and get back posting again. Its hard to write when your not feeling 100% but I will certainly let you know how I get on. Once again thank you so much Robert.

Love and Light

[aceofcups]

Nice to see you on forum again Lorraine,,, hope you start to feel great again soon. Sounds like it may be related to your Scorpio energy a bit being it is at base of spine...... I recently went to a local chiropractor for my nueropathy I have in my feet and she said was an energy blockage at base of spine blocking energy going down to my feet. THe adjustments she did started a process for me.

plan to go to her a bunch after I finish the two cataract surgeries I am having this month... had one so far and the colors have started to come alive.

peace
ace

[mojomojo]

Hi Lorraine,
sent you Reiki this morning @ 11.20 for an hour or so,
Certainly felt like a connection was made on this side, hope it may have been of some benefit for you.
If you got anything from it let me know, and I will do the same every few days.
Don't be afraid to be honest, I have had two occasions where nothing happened,
God bless,
Robert.

[aceofcups]

Robert....   just my two cents

don't forget that one is just a conduit in sending universal healing energy from one's Higher self to another's Higher self  to use on their own body vehicle-- if it is working or not either party may or may not know or feel all the time... it's subtle at times but I have learned that being attached to outcome is just an ego trip...  but yes it can help in building self confidence as a healer also to some degree   --.   the more one can let a desire for outcome out of equation, the more the energy flows.

[beatrice]

I thought I would add to this topic. Since I know Mojo Mojo well. I am somewhat perplexed by your posting ace of cups. Yes this is my ego speaking but that is a pit I tend to fall into often !
My understanding is that we are all human and if we were not operating from ego then we would be enlightened and not on this earthly plain. I do understand to a point what your warning about looking for outcomes  and it's a fine balance but how is one supposed to develop especially when one is just starting off on this healing path. The only way to learn and develop is to ask for outcomes. 
I can 100 % that mojo mojo is probably the least ego driven person I have ever come across and only wishes to do good where he can.
And I do think he is very aware that his body is just a vehicle for universal energy. 

[aceofcups]

Sorry Beatrice,, i was just really writing to Robert your husband,, because we have written before on the forum.. and was making just general comments about nature of healing and such... which I know he knows.    Yes, I totally agree with you , it is a natural process to want to get some kind of confirmations in some way to boost our confidence in the healing process in the start of us practicing.

But as I tried, but not to successfully I think, was putting in general comments about healing expectations and the energy it creates. As I said,,, just my two cents.


peace
ace

[cyberangel]

Dear Robert

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I definitely felt a wonderful burst of energy yesterday which lasted for several hours and also had a wonderful serge again last evening. So I want to thank you and thw reiki masters so much. Last night I had one of the best nighs sleep.

I cant say I felt a 'personal' connection but I certainly received the burst of energy and I also felt like a positive wave wash over me. I have to say that yesterday was the best I had in relation to pain. I will let you know my friend how today goes but I just sincerely wanted to say thank you and that I truly appreciate you help. I hope you also received the beautiful healing.

You clearly have such a beautiful kind heart and spirit and have developed and grown greatly in your spirituality. I feel blessed to have you as a friend and yesterday proved there really is no distance between us all

Love and Light

[cyberangel]

Dear Charlie and Betrice

I just wanted to say that I can see and understand what both of you are saying.

I have every confidence in Robert as a conduit of healing and I genuinely felt he helped me yesterday. As I said in my previous post to Robert, I did not feel a 'personal' connection to him but I certainly felt a sudden burst of energy followed by a gentle wave of positivity and it all took place around 11.30 - 11.45ish.

I received a 2nd burst of energy around 5.50pm which lasted approx 90 mins and where I felt tired and ready for bed and I slept like a log for which I am very grateful

I also want to acknowledge Archangel Michael here as his energy was also involved.

I dont think for one minute there was any ego driven involvement and I also dont think that is what Ace (Charlie) meant. But as this is a public forum it is always better to point out even if it is the obvious to us, it may not be for others who may read these posts later on.

So I will sign off now by thanking Robert and the assended masters and Angels for the healing energy which I received and will continue to receive humbly and graciously.

Love and Light

[mojomojo]

Hello Lorraine,
Thank you, for your observations and kind words,
I always ask for feedback at the start as there does seem to be times when it does not work, and I don't see the point in continuing, if that is the case.
I was delighted to hear you speak of Archangel Michael, as I always call on Archangel Raphael.
May I take it from your post to continue, every few days, no more feedback required,
Again many thanks,
Robert.

[cyberangel]

Thank you again Robert and you really dont need to worry or indeed wonder whether its working as "energy flows to where intention goes" sometimes it's not for us to know but it is always nice to get confirmation You are truly a blessing and believe me you have helped me and I am so delighted you called on Archangel Raphael

God Bless you Robert

Love and Light

[donq]

Hi Lorraine,

Heal and recovery soon. So that we can play together again. :-)

Hi Beatrice,

As I see that everyone here are my dear friends (including you via Robert), I would like to explain something (which normally I don't like to do it as I kind of a coward. hahaha).
Yes, agree. If I do not know Ace, the first impression after reading his post would be, "what the heck! Robert just wanted to help his friend as much as he could. Why on earth Ace bluff him like that! Just want to show off?" I found something like that on many forums, even spiritual ones. And that was why I never post on those forums again.
But as far as I know, Ace himself has been a Reiki master and into an energy healing for more than 30-40 years. Besides, he and Robert have known each other for some times (a year or so, I think).
More than that, as Lorraine pointed out, this is a "public" spiritual forum. If everyone holds the motto, "safety first" (like me, hahaha) and doesn't say anything when he/she should say (even it might risk to be ego talk), anyone who came by and read the thread might get the wrong information which would be so sad, or even harmful!  
What Ace tried to say is about the dangerous of energy healing (which he was talking to anyone who might read his post, not only Robert). If a healer thinks that he/she possess a healing energy, that would be so wrong. This happened a lot in the history of energy healing. The truth is any healer is only a conduit. (The same as in hypnosis. Even a master of hypnotist still cannot hypnotize anyone who doesn't let him do that.) The more he knows this and doesn't attach to outcome, the more the healing energy will flow.

[mojomojo]

Hi all,
I think at this stage, we may be giving this topic more attention than need be.
I understand fully where Beatrice was coming from, giving that she knows me far more, than probably anyone else in existence, I also understand what Ace was saying, but do not support the idea, that seeking feedback is an or could develop into an ego trip, unless you were that way inclined.
When I first started using energy, I felt like a complete idiot, laying hands on people, "who do I think I 'am", universal energy is going to come through you, ain't nothing pious about you brother, and yes, I know that was all negative ego.
But when doing a treatment, I go into a zone, and all that stops, there is nothing but concentration, regulating the breath, and the sensation at the hands, nothing else, I'am even surprised, when opening my eyes there is a person there.
I was completely in awe, at the power of the energy, and if anything it completely humbled me, I knew, I was dealing with something far greater than anything I had ever imagined.
When someone asks me what I do, I say I'am a clock maker.
If someone is running a reiki practise, do they not spend time with the client after the treatment in conversation, or do they rush them out, in fear the client may start to relate what they experienced, in order to preserve their egoless ness
I'am by no means an expert, but do feel I have a grasp on the basic fundamental spiritual laws, and as everyone else, practise them to the best of my abilities.
I have never wanted to be a healer, and still don't see myself as such, but life has always pushed me in this direction, and to be honest, I would never have taken the plunge, only my wife suffers from chronic pain, and I thought it may help her, yep, totally selfish reason that eventually got me here.
I have always found after a treatment, given that we are dealing with a higher vibration, to be left in a state of quite mind, especially after doing long distance, which normally lasts a day or slightly longer, ego doesn't come into it, as Ace stated, its the lack of ego/blockage that permits the flow.
Yes, I think I have rambled on quite enough,
Namaste, one and all.

[aceofcups]

Thank you Monty, Lorraine... for understanding and hopefully clarifying a bit of what and how I wrote just a few lines on the forum here.... I had no Intention in my heart and in my mind in anyway of attacking or buffing ( never use that term even ) Robert or anyone when I wrote it (am still shocked a bit it was taken that way and has led to this thread of posts).. so again I apologize to anyone who took it that way.

I have worked with many many nurses and others who use spiritual energy healing since about 1969, and one of my most profound healing teachers I had use to stress that concept... that Healing is a wonderful way of sharing universal compassion and uniting us with Humanity at a deep level of our Being... but she would also say to us many times "It is Not in Your Hands" the results of any healing treatment... so that thought just had jumped into my head when I wrote the now "infamous" post.

peace to all
ace


PS.. now that I posted this I just saw mojo and posted his last post....we were probably writing at same time... and totally agree we have given to much time to it. I was originally talking about outcome, then about any feedback. To me there is a subtle difference.

Namaste

[donq]

Hi Robert,

Once I told Karen that everyone here was already hate me (like everyone on other forums that I used to be a regular poster. hahaha) It happened a lot all my life whenever I tried to "speak" my heart/mind. Anyway, I apologize if what I said upsett you and Beatrice. I honestly didn't mean that way.

Yes, I remember about how you took a good care of Beatrice when she was sick. And I already told you about my good impression on that.

Back to energy healing, let me quote something from Milton Erickson, a father of modern medical hypnosis. Though it might seems to be irrelevant at first, but please bear with me.

Whenever you attempt self-hypnosis and you attempt to be consciously aware, then you're conciously aware. You ought to be aware of just one thing, that if you want to learn self-hypnosis your own unconscious mind knows it too, that your unconscious mind is aware of your desires to learn self-hypnosis. And you do not have to tell your unsconscious mind what to do because it knows what to do a great deal better than you do. Because conciously you behave in accord with the conscious universe, the conscious patterns of behavior. Your unconscious behaves in accord with its own code of behavior. Therefore,if you want to learn self-hypnosis, a better way of doing it is to allot yourself a given length of time and hope, just hope, that your unconscious is as interested in learning it as you are. Because if your unconscious is as willing to learn it, it will do so.

No way you can consciously instruct the unconscious.

I read a lot about hypnosis and energy healing and even tried it both myself. But what I really what to know is a tangible answer: how to do it at best? Because no way we can consciously instruct the unconscious. No way we can consciously instruct the spirituality. See the connection here?
Whenever we try to heal someone, we are consciously aware of it and that very awareness of ours will block the healing process in one way or another. Comparing to the time when we tried to heal someone without telling ourselves what to do 1, 2, 3... Just hope. And just trusting the process, spiritual one. That's it. That's all. Once my nephew had a backache, I just laid my hand on his back without saying anything. Only a minute or so, he said, "Oh! you've got an electricity hand! And my backache is gone!" That time I didn't expect anything as I knew I never tried to heal anyone before. I didn't told him what I was doing because I didn't think he would believe in energy healing. This showed that "not knowing" (in conscious) might be the key. And yes, after that, when I tried heal someone again, it didn't work. Because I tried it too hard. hahaha.   

 
 
 



 

[mojomojo]

Isn't it weird how some posts seem to take on a life of their own,
Maybe the reason for so many posts,is because the forum is quite, rather than any other reason.
I can truthfully say, that no one here (Beatrice or myself) are offended, hurt, angry or anything in between.
There is no need for apologies of any description from anyone.
It is a classic case of the written word been taken up differently, then what was intended, nothing else.
Again, I feel, we have given far too much energy to this topic and should move on and let it rest.
Looking forward to a new topic.
Robert.

[aceofcups]

Here I go again... hopefully not putting my foot to far down my throat. (lol)

I agree with you Monty on Erickson statement ( "No way you can consciously instruct the unconscious") BUT that doesn't preclude the ability to become a better instrument or conduit for the healing process to work through one....such as learning Reiki or other energy healing techniques and consciously practicing them. Probally I would guess Hypnosis also

Their is real use and value in them in consciously becoming a better instrument,,, then just doing nothing to me.   It allows the unconscious (Higher Self, Universal Healing Force etc) to use our vehicles of our waking conscious mind, emotions and physical-etheric in helping and healing others and likewise ourselves in the process.  To me the Higher Self seems to want us to become better instruments and work with us more if we make the effort to do so.

peace

[sparklekaz]

Hi everybody,

I have been reading this thread with much interest. The thing that always strikes me the most is that how easy it is to misunderstand each other. To also beat ourselves up, or question ourselves so much that we end up miles away from the point at which we started. Being spiritually minded means being open and aware. As someone said here, I think it was Beatrice, who said, if we had shed the ego entirely we would all be enlightened. The truth is we are not all enlightened, far from it, speaking for myself here.

I'm famous amongst those who know me and hopefully still love me, that I am always going off on a tangent. This thread is a perfect illustration of that. It's totally gone away on one lol. But, it has in doing so brought up the opportunity to discuss the difference between wanting feedback as a healer who finds it helpful in their spiritual practice, to know if they are being an effective channel or not, to someone who just wants some ego strokes from a appreciative recipient. We are so lucky here on this forum, in that our lovely regular members, are the least ego driven people I've ever met.

I can relate totally to what Ace and Robert are both saying. When I first started practicing as a healer, it took me a while to realize that I was more effective as a healer, if I could grasp the concept properly that it wasn't me, who was doing the healing, but the healing energy. All I was was a conduit. I had to become passive, not active, if that makes sense. If I couldn't feel anything, or the person receiving the healing didn't feel anything, 'I'd feel I'd failed'. So even though I tried not to do it, I couldn't help but start analyzing what I was doing or feeling, while I was doing it. It probably took a year or two for me to fully accept and understand my role as a healer. I wish I'd had someone like Ace around then to explain to me the process better. The ego in that sense is our own sense of identity.

It's really hard, to learn to lose that sense of self & awareness. And that is what Ace was trying to say to Robert. That the desire or need for validation, that we are doing things correctly, can in itself create a block. So by letting go of the thought that we are responsible for how the process works, removes to a considerable extent the risk of 'getting in our own way' or impeding the flow of healing energy. I think it's important to remind ourselves & inform others, that the use of the word ego can have many connotations. But often when using it in terms of how healing works, its mean't more as a 'losing our own sense of identity in the process' so that we can be an effective conduit - rather than mean't in a vain egotistical way.

Great thread, and well worth discussing.

Love and light
Kaz

[aceofcups]

HI Kaz nice to see you post..

The original statement about shredding the ego and enlightenment..... I ( from my limited unenlightened state of mind) don't see it as one or the other.  I think the spiritual path awakens over time and by degrees within a person. Inwardly and outwardly. We slowly do things with less and less ego ( self-identity) attachments, and personality, if we can and realize it's usefulness of doing so..  WE are not perfect as personalities and it may not be a real Higher Self goal.

I find for myself...Trying to discern and mindfully being more aware of how a more evolved state of consciousness like our Higher Self within us possibly sees things can be very useful at times.

IF we can discern  what it is thru intuition, learning, meditation and such. And let me add --that it can also be wrong at times also.  (and as Donq adds -- hahaha)

namaste

[donq]

When it comes to Reiki and our forum is still quiet (as Robert mentioned), the only reason is our Sparklekaz was on her vacation.
Greetings and welcome back Karen! :-)

Well put both Ace's and your posts.

P.S. What a disappointing! There was no one disagree with me (about hating me), really? Come one, anyone? Please...

[aceofcups]

Of course you know Donq that Hate is just a mirror reflection about how we feel ourselves about something and Ourselves,,, so we all LOVE you,,, hahaha

[sparklekaz]

Ha ha Monty.. how could anyone possibly hate you. You are one of the funniest kindest people I know. No one contradicted you because it was so silly lol Aah haa now I see it, your fishing for compliments lol

[cyberangel]

Hi all

Just wanted to say great posts and responses to an interesting thread. I have nothing to add but my sincere appreciation.

Love and Light