Spiritual circles.

[mojomojo]

Hi all,
have had a lot of synchronicity going on lately,
it seems the cloudy mists of confusion of the last few months have lifted,
and now everything seems to be coming at once.
One of these been, I have been asked to join a spiritual circle, maybe their stuck for numbers, who knows.
Anyway, anyone had any experience of these, good, bad or in-deferent, I do feel, I might need help to progress or deal with what's coming up.

Can I also ask for people's views on Alice Bailey.
My other half for no apparent reason, pulled two books, which were buried, out and left them for me to read, 
these books I bought probably fifteen years ago, and could not get into them back then, talk of initiation, and complete selflessness, where the group was of the upmost importance, I thought how far does she want to go with this, haven't had a fresh look yet,
again any feedback greatly received.
Thanks in advance,

Robert.

[cyberangel]

Hi Robert,

How wonderful that things are starting to look up for you or change direction

In relation to Alice Bailey, I don't know anything about her, maybe Ace could help you with her writings, as I know Ace has a wonderful knowledge of esoteric studies and Bartholomew has just briefly mentioned her a few days ago on one of my posts, so I would ask either of them for advice or guidance

Love and Light

[gruntal]

It would seem I am part of a spiritual group that meets locally. The only reason I am not sure is because there isn't much organization at the mundane level. In the past I belonged to a Fraternity but never attended any lodge meetings.

It is debatable rather one endures the confinement of an organization to receive instruction or if belonging to a group is an end to itself that naturally rewards the members with arcane benefits. When asked what I expect from joining these groups I always demure. I do not expect anything. The emphasis on expect.. At some point you feel you are on your own with nothing to guide you except a conviction you have a right to be there. And an obligation to serve.

As you go on there will be fewer and fewer participants . Only you can decide if that makes you feel uncomfortable. Or very special.

[aceofcups]

HI Robert,,, This is a very broad outline of your question.

getting into the Western esoteric tradition and its teaching and teacher's is a vast subject. It is teaching which has been gleamed throughout mystery schools of ancient history by seers and initiates with the ability to see and is as timely relevant as one's next breathe. There has been a rebirth of the traditions and sharing more openly to a degree in the last 150 years, teaching which were at one time only given orally from teacher to student.

It explores all aspects of Life ( our personality, our soul, our spirit) on all levels of consciousness. Beings as all levels of consciousness, the energetic make-up of other level of consciousness, the earth, our solar system and a greater universe we are part of and wholly connected with. It is a Spiritual Science gleamed over eons of time..,, by spiritual seers and awakened beings which had mostly had teaching which had been keep hidden or given symbolically in religious texts -- waiting for humanity to evolve to point of time when they will be truly spiritually ready to understand and positivity work with the forces and laws of nature and energy. It gives understanding and wisdom of the levels of consciousness within us, death and life after death and its many inhabitants and about spiritual evolution, etc.  Spiritual evolution is evolution taking place on all the levels of our being not just on the physical plane.  A vast and fascinating subject itself.


that was just a vast very general sweep.

[mojomojo]

Hi guys,
First, I would like to thank everyone, for their replies.

Second I would like to apologise in advance, for what comes next, this might be the greatest load of drivel ever printed, my head has been in the clouds the last few days, and I just need to get some of this stuff out, it could be the spiritual ego gone mad.

A lot seems to be going on in the last few days, some of it I can not comprehend, it seems a period of confusion has been lifted, and a direction decided and momentum for that path is increasing. Sometimes I feel like I might be losing my mind other times like I'am in a dream world.

Working on clocks, was nothing more than a platform, to obtain a state of mind from which to progress, my working day eight hours clocks, two hours spirituality, I have been informed were the wrong way around. Certain experiences I have had are very rare and I need to join a circle.

I feel behind religions, there is a far deeper knowledge, a knowledge of far higher understanding, which carries far more responsibility.
The appearance of Alice Baileys books after been buried for fifteen years.

Now it gets crazy.

I stand inside the body of the divine one, his very breath causes the wind, everything is alive, I feel very small in this vastness,
before me is a bridge, I know the time has come,
I stand there scared unknowing,
then part of me comes forward, a part I haven't felt for a long time,
quiet, of great depth and great strength, unshakeable, so deeply rooted, he feels anchored to the bowels of the earth,
the unsure part knows, once crossed, there is no coming back,
But the confident side is taking over, it is his time, he has waited for this,
and through him there is a comfort and familiarity,
I have been here before,
The speaking in rhyme an appeasement to the Gods,
magician and hierophant, whirl around my mind.
He knows, challenges lie ahead, but doesn't flinch,
Not that he doesn't hold a warm side,
Very quick with a sharp wit and a warming smile,
he enjoys his humour.
Listen how I speak of him as separate.
The bridge stands in front,
Time has come for you to cross, your work is not in the physical,
but in the spiritual,
the time has come.

Told you.

[sparklekaz]

Wonderful and not crazy at all. Some call it the quickening, the movement upward of that which has answered the call. The soul rejoicing as it feels you, not just connecting but becoming. Beautiful words Robert, I can feel my own soul quicken while I read your words. They also remind me of Guillaume Apollinaire poem. "'Come to the edge.' 'We can't. We're afraid.' 'Come to the edge.' 'We can't. We will fall!' 'Come to the edge.' And they came. And he pushed them. And they flew."

So often we hold back out of fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of not understanding this feeling that overtakes us. Where does it come from we ask - where will it take us? One day we let go of trying to understand and just act. Moving forward, trusting that we are being guided. Supported, nurtured by unseen loving hands. I am excited for you Robert. I really feel the circle will open doors for you, inside and out. I look forward to hearing about your experiences as you take your first step into the unknown, which is not really the unknown at all. But a homecoming.

Love and light
Kaz

[aceofcups]

Hi Robert..

Have you ever heard of the Antakarana Bridge? The Antahkarana bridge is an esoteric term, that as we grow spiritually we are creating threads of energy and connectiveness between our Personality self, our Soul awareness and deeper connectiveness with Spirit and Oneness. The bridge is created in our being by spiritual meditation, service and compassion to others and living a spiritually aware life. Therefore the Antahkarana represents a state of awareness built up over time, yet there are energy connecting structures or threads which participate in and facilitate this state of awareness.

Robert - Is this the Bridge which is calling you or you are creating?



Kaz, I love that Guillaume Apollinaire poem. Was asked by a teacher years ago to use it in designing a certificate of Graduation for students who had become qualified teachers of Therapeutic Touch Healing.

peace
aceofcups

[sparklekaz]

I love it too Ace, it has always been meaningful to me.

I had not heard of the Antakarana bridge. How you describe the thought behind it does make perfect sense. I must read more about it.

Thank you for sharing.

Love and light
Kaz

[aceofcups]

HI Kaz,

It is a two-way bridge - a two-way calling,,, we create part of bridge from our personality selves via our Actions, Emotions and Thoughts and our Spiritual experiences. As we work on our life "stuff" and issues we have we can become better instruments in allowing the energy of the Higher self into our everyday life and consciousness.

Which it wants to be part of but only waits until it is called upon or sees an energetic opening in one's life, actions and our energy fields.
Of course that is why meditation, conscious prayer and truly being present can we useful tools for opening the bridge and allowing more refined Energy, Awareness and Presence into our being, into our relationships, into our interactions in the world.

or as Rumi so elegantly says. " What You Seek is Also Seeking You" .

peace

[sparklekaz]

" What You Seek is Also Seeking You" Rumi... I truly hope so.

[aceofcups]

Kaz - Rumi was explaining to me a Natural Divine Law... The Highest Manifestation of the Law of Attraction... not some individual on a cloud saying I want you .. etc.

[sparklekaz]

I understood what you mean't ace. But probably best to clarify in case other's didn't.

[cyberangel]

Hi Robert and All

Its just a short reply/post really because something beautiful happened as I was catching up reading this lovely thread.

As I read through all the replies I had such a lovely feeling build inside...bbut when I read Ace's reply...I started to hum a song...I dont know but the song and Ace's words just kindof melded together in my mind and my heart...so I wanted to share the song here...my apologies for not posting it in the music section but if I did...it would not have the same effect.

I hope you all don't mind me sharing...iI just thought it was so fitting with what Robert is going through and what Ace said.

LLove and Light

[mojomojo]

Hi all,
First I would like to thank everyone for the advice, support and help, I have always received here.
I remember Kaz saying in a post, that sometimes after a period of confusion a break through can be made, if only you knew how right you were.

As you are probably aware, an escalation of sorts, has been going on with me of late, the synchronicity, the people turning up and giving messages through my wife, books, nature, and last night, spirit was getting a message through and that was final, the time had arrived.
I now understand why we get certain bits of information, only when we are ready, and that certain information can and will change your life.
Needless to say, I have now reached a point where there is no going back.

Last night, we went to a spiritual church, my wife had been encouraged to go there by her medium friend, it started off as a normal church service with hymns and that, but after the service a medium comes on and gives readings, of course her first time there and first one to be called, was my wife, which was great for her and also gave us the opportunity to see if the medium was real or not, she was, very real.

After this was over, my wife's friend(the other medium) came over, and told us it was this lady who ran the circle, called her over and left her to chat with us, my wife started thanking her for the reading and general chit chat, somewhere in this, the medium stopped, looked at me and said," you can ask them to leave you know, your unwelcome guests".
This started a conversation, that literally blew my mind to pieces. All the synchronicity, all the happenings leading up to this, the conversation my wife had with her friend(the medium).

I have to stop here and apologise, I feel terrible doing this, because I do see you all as friends and hope you can understand.
The day my wife met her medium friend for lunch, things were said about me, that were so, off the radar, that I kind of pushed to one side, and certainly didn't relay to anyone else.
After the conversation with the medium at the spiritual church, these things were confirmed and more added, she seemed very keen to take me under her wing.
I kid you not, when I say my mind has been blown to pieces, I would truly love to pass on, what I know, and I feel terrible not doing, but I need time for my mind to try and process all this, I do hope you all understand and don't feel I'am turning my back after all the help I have received from you all.
I will in time, bring you up to date, I just need time for the pieces of my mind to fall back to earth and process this.

I can say, that I know what my purpose here on earth is, I know what my spirit does, I know the exact direction to go and what to do to bring all into alignment, I look back and see all the signs throughout my life pointing in this direction, but nothing, could ever have prepared me for the enormity of it, I have been walking around since in a state of stunned silence.
My wife suffers from chronic pain, and would rather crawl on her hands and knees to work rather than miss a day, for the first time ever she has taken today off.
If I can try to give you a scale of things, if you were in a raffle to win a car, and were handed a world wide dealership instead.

I do hope you all understand.

Ace, the question with the bridge, can I be vague and say this,
The physical ego mind would know nothing of it,
My spirit, would know it very well.

Thank you all,
Robert.

[cyberangel]

Hi Robert

I am so happy for you my friend

Please never feel the need to apologise or to explain, we are not here for that. We are here to help and hold each others hand if the need should ever arise

As much as you feel 'we' (The God Light) have been here for you, please know that you have also been here for us

It's quite ok and perfectly normal to keep somethings sacred for yourself...not everthing needs to be shared...but in saying that no one is forbidden to share either, but rather feel comfortable and free doing so

Know that we are here whenever you should need one or all of us, it is certainly how I view my friends here

I am sure, others here are also truly delighted that you have found some of the answers you were seeking and I hope everything works out for you and your lovely wife.

God Bless you both and we will look forward to chatting with you, when time and spirit provides

Love and Light

[mojomojo]

Hi Lorraine,
Please forgive my late reply,
And thank you very much for your kind words,
I just reread my last post, and in ways it sounded like a goodbye post,
No, sorry, you will all not get rid of me that easy.
At the time my head was in the clouds, and I was beginning to wonder how I was going to function,
But it has calmed down to a degree.
I have been told to say nothing at this point, as it will serve no one, but ego.
A new chapter of my journey begins
Thanks again,


Robert.

[aceofcups]

Welcome back then Robert - hahaha... have to say I also read your post as that you were saying that you were leaving the forum for good.
Happy your not

We did have a Mercury (the conscious mind) Conjunct to Dreamy Neptune earlier this week.. What you wrote seems to align a bit with that energy which was around for a day or so... also rules poetry.. so that also could have been part of energy transit... etc


peace
aceofcups

[mojomojo]

Thank you for your kind words, Ace.

[mojomojo]

Hi all,
Just more tidbits of information,
Standing in the kitchen today, preparing lunch, and a voice came into my head, " look up mojo."
So I finished lunch, and did.
Mojo, South American Indians, located around Bolivia,
Speak, mojo language, part of the Arawakan family,
First contacted by the Spanish in 1580.
Mojo bag, contains herbs and personal objects, blessed by the Shaman for protection, puts new meaning to the phrase, have you lost your mojo.
Chiefs who were Shaman, held much greater power than those who were not.

I need to lie down now, and have a very strong cup of tea.

[aceofcups]

HI Robert,,, so funny,, i was reading your last post and I read you said you got insight to "look up" which my mind took first as meaning asking your Higher self (Soul).... then you started listing these things about mojo... I said to myself is he channeling or something? then foolishly I then realized "look up" was looking up on google..lol

funny how the mind works at times Happy New Moon


peace
aceofcups

[mojomojo]

HaHaHaHa.................... .
Very good Ace,
Sorry, I have to leave now, to channel some insights from the internet.

You have opened up a whole new world of dialogue for internet users.

[Bartholomew]

Alice Bailey channeled an advanced soul named, Djwhal khul, beginning in the early years of the 20th century.   This man, therein called "the Tibetan" is the source of all her 25 or so books which are published by Lucis Trust of London and New York City.  Although the source is a Tibetan man what is contained in the books is nothing to do with Tibetan Buddism or any other religion.   It should also be noted that when a soul, in communication with those on Earth, takes a name it will be one representative of an important lifetime. Souls, on their own plane, identify themselves with patterns of mental matter vibrations which only become "names" when they are made known to us. The purpose of the effort was to make available a new body of esoteria in preparation for the new, Aquarian, age.  This work is nothing to do with meta physics and is not Theosophy.    The great soul that originated the material we find in AAB's books worked closely with the source of that which was earlier given through Helena Blavatsky and was meant to continue her teachings.   The teachings of Theosophy do not include these new works and are, thus, only an introduction to what will be taught in the new age.

A recurring theme throughout the work is "groups" of human souls.   There is no correlation between these and the better known groups of physical humans which are found in Earthly spiritual practices.  A group in esoteric work is nothing to do with a group as we are commonly aware.   Human souls also live and work in groups on the high mental plane.  Whether or not they have current projections/connections to physical bodies on Earth they are active as souls.  They live, experience, gain wisdom and grow through initiations.   After a very long time they near the end of the cycle wherein they are required to continue coming to Earth.  As this time approaches they become aware of other, higher, groups of souls.  When the time is right souls move away from their older groups and join these.  This great assemblage is  called by us "the Hierarchy" of the planet.   This is the domain of the advanced human soul.  Here are found the controllers of the planet.   It is from within this body that any and all teachings including those which resulted in the formations of religions, originate.    I emphasize the fact that these are advanced human souls.  There are no other entities of any kind directly involved in the work that they do.  

The Hierarchy of our planet cooperates with the greater Will of God.  This is their source.   The purpose is to fulfill God's plan for humanity.  Our destiny is to thus achieve.

Anyone interested is asked to visit the Lucis Trust website.   May I suggest, further,  that anyone interested read "Initiation, Human and Solar".  This is a smallish book, an easy read.  I have a copy of it on my bookshelf and refer to it often.

The purpose of this post is to make clear the distinction between groups of humans on Earth who are engaging in psychic activities and groups of souls who are involved with their usual work on the mental plane.   The two are very different.   While we may form groups who meditate together there are limitations here which are directly related to the point of advancement of each participant.   These activities have value as vehicles for teaching.  Remember that it is the soul which grows spiritually, not the personality.  There is no necessary correlation between the spiritual state of the soul and that of the personality.  If it suits purpose a drunk on a sidewalk can be the projection of a master soul.  A personality deeply embedded in such glamours can easily hold back the efforts of the soul.  This is why the discipline of selflessness is so very important.  At a certain time on our paths we naturally become aware of our souls.  When this happens we are ready to begin the process of working with our soul groups while yet in bodies and personalities on Earth.  When this happens it is essential that we have first learned and practice "denial of self".

This is what the whole business of spiritual initiations is all about.  Initiations are not conferred upon personalities but souls.  In fact souls "take" them following long periods of hard work.  They are not matters of knowledge.  Unlike Earthly institutes of learning spiritual initiations are matters of long series of realizations.  Realizations do not come from reading books.  These can only come from hard personal experience.  No man in physical form can confer upon another man in physical form any true initiation.

Jesus teaches us selflessness that, when practiced, results in our feet being placed on the proper paths.   His life example shows us all the steps to be taken.  He lived, was redeemed, died and was resurrected.  The sacrifices of the body are paralleled by those of the soul.  Before any of us can finally leave this Earth behind we will follow where Jesus lead.   This does not mean we all have to die gruesome deaths. Think of the higher meanings.  It means we all will, through our own efforts, be redeemed, will die (to the Earth) and will be resurrected (to living as initiated souls in groups).

Groups of personalities on Earth can be worthwhile depending on their purposes but the work that they do is in no way similar to the activities of esoteric groupings of souls on the mental plane.

Note:  We commonly look to history when seeking spiritual truths.  This is not always adequate.  The spiritual state of humanity changes all the time.  We are much different now than thousands of years ago.  It is often true that to look to the ancient past, bringing forward to our times, teachings and methods is not helpful.  What was written, teachings given ages ago, was not designed for this time of the Earth.  With little exception ancient teachings were formulated for ancient humans.  This is the reason new information is given out at times throughout history.   Since it is the inclination of humans to revere that which is oldest, thinking it truest, we advance only with great difficulty.  Moses lead the people out of Taurus.  Jesus lead the people into Pisces.  Now Aquarius is on the cusp and will soon be upon us.  It won't be truly here for a couple hundred more years.  Shall we fail to use Aquarius teachings as we continue to hold to those of ages past?   The proper approach is to use our ability to discriminate.  Study all teachings discarding that which no longer applies, keeping that which is of value.  Moving forward always.   Each of us must decide this question for ourselves remembering the goal is not initiation but service. 

Blessings to us all.

[cyberangel]

Thank you James/Bartholomew for such a wonderful and interesting post. So much of what was said really resonated with me...and some did not, but I enjoyed reading the whole post regardless

Due to thw fact that I use my mobile phone a lot to quickly log in and read posts when I have time...I am limited to my replies due to the fact that my keyboard is tiny and I ofthen misspell words by tapping the keys beside the leys I want on the tiny keyboarf...which really is rather frustrating as well as time consuming.

Anyway I just wanyed to share something I experienced yesterday and reading your post sort of 'highlighted' on my experience. After witnessing the solar eclipse yesterday I was driving home when quite suddenly I felt quite eurphoric and started to sing...."this the dawning of the age of Aquarius" I chuckled quite heartily yesterday after singing it...today I smile with the knowledge of understanding

Love and Light

[Bartholomew]

Mar 21, 2015 7:56:11 GMT cyberangel said:

Thank you James/Bartholomew for such a wonderful and interesting post. So much of what was said really resonated with me...and some did not, but I enjoyed reading the whole post regardless

Due to thw fact that I use my mobile phone a lot to quickly log in and read posts when I have time...I am limited to my replies due to the fact that my keyboard is tiny and I ofthen misspell words by tapping the keys beside the leys I want on the tiny keyboarf...which really is rather frustrating as well as time consuming.

Anyway I just wanyed to share something I experienced yesterday and reading your post sort of 'highlighted' on my experience. After witnessing the solar eclipse yesterday I was driving home when quite suddenly I felt quite eurphoric and started to sing...."this the dawning of the age of Aquarius" I chuckled quite heartily yesterday after singing it...today I smile with the knowledge of understanding

Love and Light

There can be no progress without disagreements because they indicate to us our differing experiential, spiritual positions in the grand scheme of things. Thanks CA...  

[mojomojo]

Thank you for your very informative post, Bartholomew.
From my understanding, would it be correct to say,
That the personality soul on earth, at night while the physical body sleeps, could be in active service, fulfilling its soul plan or that of the soul group,
Of which the unconscious ego mind would have no recollection upon waking.

[cyberangel]

Hi James/Bartholomew

Thanks for the reply. Please dont take what I said as a disagreement as that is not what I was saying my friend. I was just meaning that vvibrationally I could feel a lot of what you were saying and some of it I felt nothing...that did not mean I disagreed with what you said only that some of it didnt resonate with me that was all. As I said I really enjoyed your entire post. Thank you again

[Bartholomew]

Mar 21, 2015 10:17:26 GMT mojomojo said:

Thank you for your very informative post, Bartholomew.
From my understanding, would it be correct to say,
That the personality soul on earth, at night while the physical body sleeps, could be in active service, fulfilling its soul plan or that of the soul group,
Of which the unconscious ego mind would have no recollection upon waking.

Yes.  Remember though that junior souls service (the plan) in much different ways than advanced souls.  Until we are very, very advanced our work as souls is more personalized, tailored to our small group.   Later this changes.   An interesting note might be that the souls which project together (soul mates) are always in close association and that sometimes this results in two folks having the same or very similar dreams at about the same time.   Note:  Soul mates are usually married couples or siblings or lifetime best friends.  Seldom are they parents.   Whoever they are we all know the difficulty in keeping secrets between them.   Souls mates are like twins.

I want to add that it is this very real and dynamic life of the soul which makes proper meditation such a good practice.  Don't meditate for the benefit of the personality.  Look higher than that.  Doing the right kind of meditation serves to strengthen our connection because it tends to "get the attention" of our soul.   When our soul is thus provoked it will know that we are consciously readying ourselves for contact.  Since this is the eventual goal why not work knowingly towards it every day?

Blessings to us all...

[Bartholomew]

Mar 21, 2015 12:43:25 GMT cyberangel said:

Hi James/Bartholomew

Thanks for the reply. Please dont take what I said as a disagreement as that is not what I was saying my friend. I was just meaning that vvibrationally I could feel a lot of what you were saying and some of it I felt nothing...that did not mean I disagreed with what you said only that some of it didnt resonate with me that was all. As I said I really enjoyed your entire post. Thank you again

OK I understand.  We (our souls) are not in the same group after all.  This is makes meanings and interpretations sometimes difficult or iffy.  Like we said in the sixties:  "It's all about the vibes man".   It is only here on Earth that we all can engage in free associations so whatever the results it's good to try.  Back in the world of souls we do not have such freedoms. 

Last night I watched "The Quiet Man" (John Wayne, 1952) on You Tube.  One of my favorites.   Lots of nice Irish scenery.

[mojomojo]

Again thank you for the reply,
Your confirmation has been well received,.

[Bartholomew]

Mar 21, 2015 13:25:31 GMT mojomojo said:

Again thank you for the reply,
Your confirmation has been well received,.

Happy to help but please remember....   Never believe a thing, no matter who says it, unless it rings true in your own heart.  If it does not, reject what is said.  Remember the trickster coyote of Native American lore.  Is it he who speaks making illusions seem so grand or is it the true voice of our own soul?