Karmic Obstacles

[aceofcups]

I recently read this in a book...

"We can’t mask spiritual and psychological impurities for very long. When we suppress or repress them, they gain energy. Eventually we all have to deal with our same old "karmic" obstacles. Anger, fear, ego, confusion, anxiety and greed etc. It’s like a spectrum of impulses and desires that condition many of our interior universes and views of reality ( even unconsciously at times). We have to take care of this stuff, so we can climb the mountain of awareness without getting dragged back down."

What are your comments on this? Do you think it is true?

peace,
aceofcups

[gruntal]

One of the more interesting aspects of meeting persons face to face in real time is to learn some of their personal demons. I have noticed those of a spiritual bent are markedly free of emotional defects or some kind of dependency. It would seem to be incompatible with everything of a higher nature to be so low down in another.

Having said or observed that I also must say the ticket to admission to everything spiritual is not barred to those with defects. But the incongruity will force a resolution. Accepting yourself does imply you will also accept that change is inevitable. Starting with yourself. However unpleasant this may sound the alternative can NOT be.

I guess we just learn new ways to be uncomfortable ...it was easier when we lacked feelings or senses.

[tribunalofmercy]

Some call it 'karma'; some have called it 'sins'. Some today would place the blame on 'emotional implants', etc - which, to me, is just another way of admitting conspiracy theory - and I am not saying they are wrong or right

Perhaps there are subtle energies that are sent our way with the intent of Keeping us from success; maybe some of us (no names mentioned, ME) have just been spoiled and undisciplined in life before now and Unwilling to Own the issues, to do battle with the alter-ego, do Shadow Work, do Whatever it takes to Break Those Chains and climb that mountain!

Sure, we have to take care of these things; Yes, they pile up like so much laundry until we can't even Find ourselves under all the Junk. "We" human beings love to play the blame game, but Who else will take care of our issues for us? God?? Oh, but we have decided God is US. So it comes back to Us, again...

*Gets down off soap box* - Well, no, ace, I don't think we can mask them for very long, if at All, though often we are willing to try, if for no other reason than Shame. I do believe there is a difference between hypocrisy and Gruntal's mentioned 'incongruency' because hypocrisy involves a Claim of one thing, when in truth both the inner and the outer person are the Same, just trying to be different; 'masking' difference when the inner man has Not changed...incongruency has to do with being more Incompatible, so that the change in the inner man forces the struggle between inner and outer until there is either a sorrowful Mess, or the inner man has Won.

[aceofcups]

thank you george,,, for your very clear response to the question.

aceofcups

[mojomojo]

If built up karma is that which we have not dealt with, be it an accumulation of past lives or not, consideration must be given to spirit's attempt's to draw attention to such.
Lesson's which are repeated, due to been un dealt with, can only increase with severity, in order to catch the participants awareness, snow balling, to the extent, where spirit will cease the existence to start afresh with a new vehicle. Spirit's main concern, can only be with the progress of spiritual growth, the vehicle, not performing it's purpose, is of no major concern, and is readily replaced. Can spirit give attention to that which was created by the mind of man. Given that the whole process is evolution in progress, in time to come, the human being, may not even be the vehicle of choice, and may be remembered as a extinct life form, no more fondly remembered than, the dinosaurs of past.



Robert.

[aceofcups]

HI Robert.. thanks for your response...

sorry...it wasn't clear to me what you were saying.. which is ok.. but maybe it is just our understandings of Spirit.. Spirit is a unifying love force to me and is also the underlying laws of how forms are created and manifests while Being( be they from our minds, emotions, actions .. both universal and personal).

I don't see Spirit as judging and metering out praises or condemnations,, only way a karmic pattern is increased is by the practical energy equation,,, if you add more energy to it -- it will take longer to undo or balance it out in long run.

Forms on all levels are manifested by laws of necessity...once they are no longer needed...they are transformed into other forms which have more use at a particular stage of evolution.


peace
aceofcups

[mojomojo]

Hi Ace, for me, there are universal laws, and at the universal level, to some degree automatic, at the personal level our thoughts, deeds, actions, also have effect, as to what degree our karma is dealt with.
Issue's such as anger or hatred not dealt with, cause problems with the physical, and eventually can progress to fatal illness.
Sorry, not saying spirit judges and condemns, only we decide our welfare, but continued avoidance of dealing with issues, eventually manifest in the physical in order to catch our attention, not saying, avoidance of dealing with issues, is the only cause, but is a contributory factor.
Seen as the whole process is evolution in practise, and will be forever on going, and our bodies (vehicles) will change in accordance with spiritual needs, is it feasible to say that in time to come, the human body may be no more, a thing of the past.
Kind of makes one feel like sitting back and enjoying the ride, rather than trying to chase it.


Robert.

[aceofcups]

thanks robert this made it a lot clearer. and agree with you about emotional and mental issues not dealt with can become worse and lead to more physical problems and more karma.

your last statement about sitting back and watching

i personally would say: mindfully watching and actively participating but from at state of compassionate non-attachment is the way to go

peace
ace

[mojomojo]

Hi,
While I agree wholeheartedly with your last statement, is it a task too hard to follow, seen as the vast majority operate from the ego mind/ego spiritual mind.

Can we participate actively in a state of non attachment, from a point of mind, or only when we have risen above that, and even then are we more subject to been drawn back to a state of mind again. Is it possible to be compassionate about something, while remaining non attached.

Or can this only be achieved, from a higher state of consciousness, and can we achieve this state while in the midst of turmoil, for want of a better word.

How many, have been able to rise above mind, that inhabit the earth, or does it matter anyway, seen as how it will eventually happen, this added with the automatic universal laws is what comes across as the impersonal side of spirit.



Why do we accept, that it is the lack of light, that explains people's evil doings, while we live in a world of duality.
Can a lack of love turn someone into a serial killer


Does mindful watching, mean we only observe the good in people, or do we acknowledge the dark side as well.
Lots of things happen in life, that people seem, not to want to be aware of, and it is exactly that which allows these things to occur.
Can we remain in a state of non attachment, while observing such.
While I agree we should not add energy to such, I believe denial is a crime in itself.
Sorry, seemed to have gone slightly off topic.




Robert.

[tribunalofmercy]

Have you ever bitten your lip? Hurts, doesn’t it. The place we bit becomes inflamed just a bit, swells a little and is sensitive…we try to avoid it but often we have No idea how many times our mouths move in a way that passes right over that spot we bit – we usually bite it again, especially now that it is swollen and sensitive, causing us more pain.

I was thinking about ace’s book that shared energy gaining strength with karmic issues, and perhaps ‘biting our lip’ is not a karmic issue but it Is a physical lesson that can shed light. Why do we have lessons? Perhaps at times it is because when the issue is swollen and extra-sensitive we See it better; we need the hindsight the lesson provides...


Last night I thought, felt and (hence) Behaved like a human…it was with a loved family member, because I am not learning the lesson of Expectations and I got my feelings hurt. My ‘humanity’ was ugly and I didn’t like it One Bit, but there it was…now I have to deal with the Pain that has been caused – and since the issue is swollen and extra-sensitive, it’s a bit like karmic energy that builds, or even about Law of Attraction – see how that might work?


Some people are in a position to keep their mouths closed – not talk, not eat, etc until the lip can heal better; they avoid the repetitive pain of biting that way….some people are just not able to Do that, so perhaps they move their mouths a bit more carefully during their day, to ensure they cause the pain as little as possible until it heals.


What is the better answer? Avoidance of the issue that pains us so as to Heal, or embracement of the path that brings us that particular lesson over and over, with clarity and caution?


It’s also like the potholes I have talked about in life; hindsight just Sucks, because so often it takes us to Be In the pothole to realize our mistake. When we get out of the pothole we have the choice to walk forward on the Same path, watching carefully for the pothole and stepping over or walking around it when we do pass it; or taking another path Altogether, thus avoiding the pothole that has plagued us.


I submit today that Both paths are options, perhaps depending on our Own life-situations and lessons to be learned; All roads that take us along the path ‘toward’ perfection, completion have potholes. Is wisdom simply to stay in our Higher Minds, thus allowing us to see All the potholes before we get to them?

[mojomojo]

Hi,
I don't believe there are many, if any at all, who can stay in higher conscious, to be able to see the pot holes, and if there are, why wouldn't they stay there.
If it's all an evolutionary process, that takes a long time, why would the prophets of past, have led us to believe it is attainable, or did they mean, it is achievable in this life time, because this is the only one you can live right now, and if that is so, it seems to suggest it can be attainable now, but yet very few if any, seem to have done, just that.
There seems to be many who get glimpses and spiritual highs along the path, but few if any, who have made any solid progress, so is the entertaining of it pointless, as it is a time process event more so than an individual learning one, do the masses move at the same rate, without any,making breakthroughs of significance.
There are those who have donated their lives entirely to the pursuit of it, are they any further towards their goal, or is that which holds them back, us, who have to catch up, in order for it to continue.
Is it a mass movement, or can it be done individually, it just seems , there is very little evidence of the later.

[tribunalofmercy]

Good Morning Robert Wow, can I feel the spiritual struggle in Both of us, lately...and I know I can spout spiritual philosophy until the cows come home, lol - I try to share bits of personal issues so that those reading will Know I am doing more than just 'spouting', but I also know I am Getting somewhere, and ego aside, it is Important for me to see that I Am moving forward on the path, just because it is encouraging. At this point of my life I would not try to go Back the other way even if I Only perceived I were standing still, but I might sit down for a while instead of forcing movement

A few weeks ago I took a trip to NC to visit my son; he is not the only family member I get to visit when I go. I had sequestered myself of necessity for two years and had literally not gone Anywhere, in an attempt to Keep from 'karmic issues' repeating themselves in cycles of my life...standing Still, sitting when tired but not Struggling anymore. Anyway.

So the trip, for me, was a Test to see how my attachments had been released, how my spiritual journey was progressing and how I would Respond to a certain Loved family member there who has pushed me to Extremes over and over in my life.

Sure enough, not 15 minutes into our reunion this family member had gotten angry with me over a perceived slight, yelling and cursing and throwing things, telling me to Just Go Back Home Already. So what? And yet, this repetitive experience in the past has caused to see the (perceived) Worst in myself, over and over...to end up crying and being hurt and Leaving, just as expected.

Not this time This year is different for me, for I understand somewhat better how to use my positive energy. I choose not to shield any longer in general but I no longer felt Attached to the validation of this person; I felt only Love toward them, responding by sending that love out from me and standing my ground with patience, believing the outcome would be different. Amazingly, it did not hurt this time! I did not react but simply Was, and the energy of this family member was overcome by my own. We spent the next couple of days together along with my sibling, son, his g/f and myself all behaving in Love instead of anger, expectation, disappointment or fear. It showed me a Great Deal about myself, though I am a long way from where I Desire to be.

Yes, I Do believe we can get somewhere, and the only reason I share this personal account is to hopefully help you Believe; God seems to be able to see "eternity" better and thus has more patience than we do, but is it not still God's desire that we Grow?


Watched flowers do not seem to change any more than the pot with water that will soon boil, but if we wait we eventually get to see results, Robert - it seems a paradox to live in the Now, while believing in the Later


I have seen the unfolding flower in you in the short time you have been here; do not give up, my friend

[mojomojo]

Hi Mary Anne, glad to hear your trip went so well for you, you showed great strength.
Christmas is always a bad time for me, I have severe family issues as well, mine with my immediate family, to the extent I never feel the urge to return home for Christmas.
But this year is different, my mother has been fighting cancer for nearly the past year, it has been palliative care from the start, so there is a strong possibility, it will be her last.
I think your post might have made my mind up for me, I might just make that trip now, Mary Anne.
I'am not giving up, just this time of year, it brings it's own share of negativity, but thank you for your kind words.
Many thanks,
Robert.

[baangus]

In all seriousness, I would say one very real karmic obstacle would be spending time worrying about things like karmic obstacles. Same applies to any and all negative spiritual concepts.

[mojomojo]

Very good Baangus, very, very, good.

[baangus]

Dec 12, 2014 16:43:03 GMT mojomojo said:

Very good Baangus, very, very, good.

I wrote a three-paragraph response and then lost it when trying to post!

mojomojo, I sense you understand. Karma is my beautiful life (in part at least), and my beautiful life is karma. I suppose one could worry and focus on the "obstacle" aspect of karma, but that's not who I am. Besides, who is to judge what "taking care of this stuff" even means? Taking care of it according to whose standards? I take care of whatever I can and wish to, and love myself in the process. Likewise, what does "getting dragged back down" mean? I live my life as consciously as possible. I do the best I can. And one thing I certainly don't do, is judge my life to the point where it drags me down. On the contrary, everything I do in this incarnation raises me up, and opens me up to become a better and more conscious individual and soul. Even my so-called mistakes.

[mojomojo]

Hi Baangus,

When I said very, very good, I was agreeing, wholeheartedly with you,
As in there is no point in worrying about any of it.




Robert.

[baangus]

Dec 15, 2014 13:58:55 GMT mojomojo said:

Hi Baangus,

When I said very, very good, I was agreeing, wholeheartedly with you,

Yes, I realize mojomojo. Cheers.