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[awakenwithin]

Everything im about to say is hypocritical to my self and may be controversial to others.



i was having a conversation with my friends last night about various spiritual subjects,

i would say something and they would come up with another theory and we listened and would agree with each other.



It came apparent to me that this conversation was endless and no matter what id or the other would say, someone else had something else to say as well.



As i started to take a 3rd person perspective of the conversation we where having, i started to realise that everyone including my self, we all had our own opinions on the subjects, and really that's all that mattered, was what we know, to deal with our life's.



This made me realise that talking about the subject with each others was irrelevant and what ever we were saying wasn't the truth. We cant possibly name something and it to be true.



If you can explain something it is no longer real anymore because what is real, cannot be explained. it just is



Then it become a serious complex realisation for me that everything im typing now is just a layered situation where its a opinion on a opinion and that anything we actually say we cant possibly be worth saying.



It made me wish i had never got into spiritualism in the first place and i would be better off not thinking how i think.



A point im trying to make is how is it possible to live with all the falseness within us and around us. because we simply do not know anything in this life. i don't believe that anyone can answer this with out it being another opinion where they really dont know the answer.

[mojomojo]

Perfect,

We spend years reading, talking, meditating and thinking.


At the end of it all,



All we can truly state,


Is that we know nothing.



Robert.

[awakenwithin]

Hi Robert,

Maybe we spend years doing all that stuff because we are seeking an answer and there just isnt one for any of it.

I really dont know.

I wonder if anyone else has ever had the same thought.

[gruntal]

We are born selfish predators but eventually become altruistic er semi-predators. Everything we do seems to be an experience and that is all that matters.

I think it is a sign of maturity to go beyond possessing to having feelings. Feelings beyond what we can experience all by ourselves. Then it matters little how many arguments you can win. Trophies won and medals received. Those that can not have feelings can substitute all the above plus all knowledge ever known. More predatory behavior.

Feelings are the one thing no one can give or take from you because they are unique to you.

[tribunalofmercy]

As I read this, awakenwithin, I know I have been saying this Very thing, from another perspective, since I Got here. Unsuccessfully, no doubt

However, as you have pointed out - so has everyone Else here. Seriously. To me, no matter How frustrating (and why am I frustrated? lol) the fact that we do not YET understand each other's perspective does not negate Truth so much as Reveal our humanity in its limitedness; we simply Cannot embrace ALL at this stage of the game, but should it leave us discouraged to the point of Not Seeking?

Only if that is our Perspective. Was it not the same for Edison, or from any Other inventor that tried so Many times to "get it right", failing, yet continuing to attempt Perfection until it actually Did happen? I think not.

We are on a Journey, and at times life would convince us we get Nowhere. I do not believe it for a Minute; in the silence we find ourselves Joined with All, with everyone Else, for though we speak in a thousand tongues, in a thousand Ways, we say the Same Thing:

That thing, is Truth. Our saying of it, makes us our very Selves - we cannot Help but say it - which is our part of Universal Law.


It's okay to be discouraged, btw. This makes you human, and also joined to the rest of us Let's strengthen each other without words today, with Love, which may not be the Whole of Truth but it drives the equation Forward.

Mary Anne

[sparklekaz]

To know that we know nothing is a humble and truthful statement. In as much as the sum total of what we know is but the tiniest miniscule of the whole. But I would not say we know nothing. I agree that our thoughts, idea's, opinions all come from our own perspective, and to say that our way is the right or only way would be inaccurate. But I cannot agree that we are all is altruistic or preditors.

Through millenia, many wonderful scientific discoveries and inventions have been made, for the betterment of mankind. I know we have also invented the instrument of our own destruction too. But as with all things there is always the negative side. But it doesn't take away from the positive does it. I hear your frustration George and I feel for you, because I share it at times. I long for some inner peace, but my mind wont let me have any either.

I see Mary Anne was writing something along the same lines as me as I was writing my reply here. We are in-tune mary anne. So adding this now. I loved what you said when you said - "However, as you have pointed out - so has everyone Else here. Seriously. To me, no matter How frustrating (and why am I frustrated? lol) the fact that we do not YET understand each other's perspective does not negate Truth so much as Reveal our humanity in its limitedness; we simply Cannot embrace ALL at this stage of the game, but should it leave us discouraged to the point of Not Seeking? Only if that is our Perspective. Was it not the same for Edison, or from any Other inventor that tried so Many times to "get it right", failing, yet continuing to attempt Perfection until it actually Did happen? I think not."

Can you really go back to sleep once you have woken up? Isn't our insatiable quest for knowledge, and to know what is over the horizon, an integral part of who we are? If it were not spiritual matters that we were focused on, I'm willing to bet, we'd have some other obsession. Because it is just like an obsession, an addiction over which we appear to have no real control. So does that mean it's not really an addiction or obsession, but a over-riding compulsion of the souls need to reunite us with our true selves? I've ceased to try to fight my true nature, I simply allow myself to be guided by it. It makes life so much simpler. I don't over analyze about it anymore, I am content to simply 'be'. Life is a continuous process of discovering ourselves again & again. Embrace the changes within & explore the new possibilities it brings.

Love and light
Kaz

[aceofcups]

To Know Nothing is limited -
to BE N0-Thing is Divine

[mojomojo]

Hi Awakenwithin, sorry I did not mean to mislead with my earlier reply.
I can honestly say that there is a far higher intelligence at work than us, call it GOD, spirit or whatever, I can never deny that, because of the spiritual experiences I have had.
I agree with you one hundred percent, anything, anyone tells us, is there opinion, of their perspective, of their experience, it's the same for every book you read, what works for one might not necessarily work for another.
I believe the word awaken is far over used, and that the vast majority work from the ego mind, be it in the bustle of life, on a mountain top in a monastery, or any community in life, including spiritual forums, not saying that there are not genuine people, who do their best to help, there are.
But this journey is unique to each and everyone of us, and for the large part, it is all very much your call.
I think coming from a place of mind, we can never understand, it's too big, beyond our comprehension, so it just falls to intellectual conversation.
It has been said that it's a process of evolution, that takes a long time, and when we get there, what then, is it game over, back at the start, personally I think it never ends, this process of evolution will go on forever, finished on planet earth, start anew some where else.
So, for now, I'am just going to relax and let it happen, not going to try to figure it out, I believe we can't, just go with the flow, except the good and deal with the bad as best I can, any thing else is just word play, verbal or written, and yes, I still believe , one hundred per cent.

Robert.