Is G*d Just a Masquerade ?

[gruntal]

This might be an interesting extension of some recent threads. Does spirituality even depend on the existence of G*d? At first glance that might seem obvious but then it also might be a limiting factor and also presumptuous to boot!

The reason is the vary definition of all things arcane or esoteric is too easily simplified to believing in a G*d and worshipping Him. Indeed being "saved" connotes complexity is evil and we are too smart for our own good. So become like a little kid and commune with G*d. That is good as far as it goes in realizing it is barriers that impede our spirituality and not lack of intellect.

If there is anything I have learned in all this it is the immensity of it all. I have been taught I am too provincial. Even my teachers have not seen the face of G*d. The nearest we can come to that is the conviction there is some thing in the Cosmos that is in our best interests. We can gradually seek that out and evolve to be one with it.

But the question remains: do we need to postulate the existence of G*d to accept a universe of apparently infinite space and time and by extension infinite levels of reality? If there are no fences at the end of the galaxies how does it contain itself? Metaphorically does that mean our G*d concept is also impossible to be put into a container?

[tribunalofmercy]

Wow, gruntal And I think your last line sums it up, don't you? "God" may just be Too much of a Concept for a box.

Some might say that Of Course there is a God; "He" is just very Complex, and perhaps we will understand at Some point, but now Now. Some might say, like you, that the very Universe, all the dimensional realities and so forth may Preclude the idea of a singular "god"; others may equate "god" with finite beings who (allegedly) visited Earth in it's past, at a point when we were (supposedly) simplistic enough to relate the idea of a Supreme Being with the many scientifically-provable "miracles and wonders" that were done back then.


There is no Way I could successfully debate the issue of whether there is a God or not, my friend, and I don't think I'd Want to; what I firmly believe in, that does not seem to Change but only to Expand in its influence over me, is Love. And even my Christian Bible says that "God is Love". But of course science and applied thinkers want More; I also think strategically, so I just-as-firmly WANT those scientists and thinkers to Keep Thinking, to Keep Searching for Truth, even if they use the vocabulary word "fact" to describe the word "Truth". ....Because I know if they keep looking Hard enough they are going to FIND something, and why would I Possibly want to stop them? lol


Personally, I think the "need" to postulate the idea of God has Little to do with whether Our Own minds need to believe in such a singularity as it does the reason mechanics may teach their small children about the details of whats-under-the-hood-of-a-car in Simple terms, not using professional jargon but explaining in such a way that the child can Grasp the basics...they Love their children and want them to know as much as Possible, at any given age, about the things that They love, but they will re-word in order to make it Understandable. Out of understanding; out of Love.


When I was about 3-4 years old I remember riding with my parents to visit my sisters in college; it was about 2 hours away and we had to pass an area with a paper mill, which smelled Really bad. *phew* I did not know what it was, of course, and I asked Daddy what was making that Terrible smell. "That's the Plant,", said Dad, and I remember envisioning a Very large weed with a Serious odor problem. lol


Growing up changed my perception of what Made the smell, of course, but it did not take away from my Truth that there was Something out there making life Completely unbearable for those living (and breathing) near it...I just Understood it better.

Idk, it's just my way of Relating to how we change our perceptions of things as we grow...there is still Truth Out There to be Had, and I am not Nearly old enough to understand the Whole of Everything in the same way or as completely I now comprehend the Plant.

Good thoughts today, gruntal

[lionl]

Oct 28, 2014 22:43:05 GMT gruntal said:

If there are no fences at the end of the galaxies how does it contain itself?

It wraps around and back on itself.  Like the surface of the Earth.  If you start off in Britain and head south you will eventually come back home from the north.  So Earth is eternal yet not.  The universe is the same, only in three dimensions rather than two.

Regarding God: He/She/It cannot be understood by any physical means (although there may be 'clues' or 'lessons' in this physical reality) but is purely spiritual.  We experience God with our 'souls' rather than our minds.

That's what I think anyway.  Feel free to ignore!

[mojomojo]

Hi all, it's the oldest question ever asked, and while I don't like to attempt to try to justify by the efforts of science, I will put this up for debate. Throughout history, there has always been a conflicting relationship of sorts between GOD and science, when GOD was foremost, science lingered in the background, with scientific advancement, GOD was been pushed into the background. The advancement of one, automatically caused the other to recede, until of late, some say science is starting to catch up with GOD, the same thing can be said of medicine, where the treatment of the symptoms rather than looking for the cause was the norm, now treatment of the whole, mind, body, spirit, is advancing.
Back to science, there is a proven mathematical theory, which seems to run throughout the universe, which has stunned mathematicians with its accuracy, known as the Fibonacci sequence, put simply it is the golden ratio, 1 : 1.61803, this ratio is so prevalent throughout the universe, running from our own DNA right up to galaxies, it has been called, the built in numbering system to the cosmos. Giving that without the hand of GOD, existence could only have been a chance happening, I think science has not only proven the existence of GOD, but has also shown that he is a master mathematician.
Robert.

[aceofcups]

HI Gruntal...

in some ways I agree with you that the concept of "God" as person figure was a way to explain infinite esoteric concepts in an easier form....and then got taken by some to be only way to perceive an Absolute Consciousness and Ultimate Unity... thru multiple level of consciousness.

I do believe we live in an lawful ordered Universe,, (and not just a physical universe)..to me ultimately all Forms ( on any level of consciousness) is a relative box... but without the box we could not "know or think" about it.

peace
charlie