Where does the ego come from.

[mojomojo]

If GOD is all perfect, all loving, all encompassing, how could a separation have occurred? Why would perfection, not want to be perfection?
A zen Buddhist might ask, who is asking the question? Giving spirit, is still unified, it wouldn't ask such a question. So, is the ego asking, I'am here, can someone explain how I got here?, giving there is a perceiver and a perceived, if we remove the perceived, are we again unified?
How does a flawed state arise from perfection? Is there a higher ego, concerned with worldly affairs, and a lower ego, concerned with self,is it impossible to be ego free, if it is, who is saying that?
Does the flawed state, materialise from a dream state of the perfected, creating its own little worlds?

[tribunalofmercy]

Hey there, Mojo (seriously. We have Got to stop meeting like this. lol)


These are hard questions, my friend! And I like it And I don't have all the answers...but I've stepped off the deep end around here Anyway, so I'm going to copy-and-paste something from my meditation journals below. The Current journey I am taking, one that is more Aware than ever before, just started on May 2, and I've been journaling since then...back in August I began following my "eye" of Higher Self down the rabbit hole into the Amazing, and this is what I wrote that day:

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"Yesterday evening I had the Neatest thing happen - once I understood it somewhat. Inside my 'eye' is a great hallway - very long - full of doors on either side, like a hotel floor almost; I've sort of seen this before but not in its Entirety. (A door was always Open before, to Show me something; not This time) And at the end was a brilliant light; I wanted to Run to it, and I was allowed.

"When I got to the end I just Jumped out into the light; it wasn't like the light of the Crystal City, or the sun, or even like the gold light when I jumped to Jesus' dimension before. This was the Source; it was like liquid energy light, blissful, peaceful, and I was absorbed into it somehow.

"It happened today again; that's when I was Sure it was the Source. Joe had taken me to the edge of what seemed like some part of the Universe before and Pointed to the Light, but we didn't Go there then...now I See, and it's the kind of place I want to Stay in...though I can't now.

"Tonight at the computer I closed my eyes for a second and suddenly I was running down the hallway into the light again...was absorbed into it, just Feeling, just Being....and for a split second I could see out of the Source's eyes, just like I do with people sometimes....I became part of the Mind of the Source, in the very Beginning.

"I had kind of still thought everything was Dark in the beginning, because I hadn't really Thought about it....and the Bible describes their understanding of the "Beginning" from the perspective of the Earth, when it was "without form and void". But No - it was All Light, because in the beginning there was only Source. No binary equation yet, no duality.....
I EXPERIENCED, for that brief instant, how the "beginning" came about....what "God" was Thinking at the time, and what the correlation between Oneness and the binary equation truly Is, when God first Created.

(I'm feel like I must be having a psychedelic Trip here. No mushroom needed. lol) (But it's Perfect, because it's Home, and it will answer Everything, somehow)


"It wasn’t something I heard, or was told…no, it was more of…Understanding? ‘Being’? In the beginning was….GOD. I can experience the Source, yet I still desire to recognize it as “God”, because God is someOne I have “known” for so long…it’s not a Feeling exactly….before Other, there was no equation. No ‘music’. No conflict, no other thought….it was Pure God. So peaceful…so….Something.



"And then God THOUGHT. And gave something Out…..and “other” came into being. Somehow, KNOWING the “risk”, as I term it, but without considering it a Risk, God Thought, and there was a Division. God Wanted something, and I know how we talk about it sometimes….God wanted to Experience something, and God Knew when ‘he’ did so that it would infuse a Law into being, a Law that simply Is. Somehow. It’s not that what God initially separated from “himself” was Much different, but it allowed for Other, and it both was and was Not, fully ‘God’.

"Yet what he Thought into being in that way, was still God, and God LOVED it all.

"All I am sure of, is that One can become Two, or More, at any time; but Two, or More, cannot become One without Consent. Without Intent. Without an Equation that is Different in that direction. It becomes the Point of what we call ‘free will’, of binary, the Law of clockwise/counter-clockwise; it is the Foundation of Holy Equation as God sees it, the equation that IS God. The 'music', the vibrations we experience, the frequencies, all exist within the struggle to Return to the One; or by the struggle to remain Separate. Is ‘struggle’ an appropriate word? This is All hard to put into words."

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No, Mojo, I do not have the answers yet...I desire my times of Observation, of Learning, until all becomes Clear. But you ask Wonderful questions, and I am truly Hoping others will feel free enough to express their thoughts with you

Mary Anne

[Ishtahota]

The Ego is of the Earth, it is the animal part of our body. It is the part of us that reacts to the world without thought. It helps us breath while we are asleep. It makes our heart beat our whole life. It can also be trained by friends, parents, churches, schools, governments, and other things that we might want to join or become part of. The kind of things like,"if it is good enough for uncle so and so, then it is good enough me". The ego also has some very powerful tools to keep us in line and under it's control, fear, panic, and anxiety.

The church could not except the ego for what it really is, so they invented the devil, yea, the devil made me do it.

When the ego has us doing things that go against our true nature and breaking laws of Spirit and the laws written in our DNA we are left with inner conflict. It is this unsettled inner conflict that causes us to be duality consciousness. We cannot settle the conflict so we have to split ourselves at the conscious level. The world of duality consciousness can only keep the balance between good and evil, light and dark, and so forth. A split brain and a split consciousness cannot settle anything.Only our original consciousness can settle the conflict, non-duality consciousness.

The mystics ask " who serves who."? Do you serve your ego, or does it serve you?

[lionl]

The Ego is the brain - the Spirit is the Soul.

That's how I see it anyway.  There are two realities - this temporary physical one in which we must eat, procreate etc. - and the permanent spiritual one from which we came and to which we will return.  Our ego is wholly in this physical world, our soul is wholly in the spiritual world and our mind, what we think of as 'us', is a mediator between the two.

A simple example: You're hungry and see a child with food.  The ego might urge you to take the food.  The soul would tell you not to.  But it is your mind which makes the ultimate decision.

[mojomojo]

I thank you all for your replys, and the way one was put across, more so, than the words used, has led me to this.
If the perceived asks the question, we can never know, for the perceived does not know the perceiver, and it's goal is to ensure the survival of its self, so it will use, intellect and debate, to ensure its continuous existence. Therefore, the only way we can know, and to use the word know is wrong, is the actual experience of such, we can not know, we can only hope to experience it. This is a little bit zen, but I have great respect for zen philosophy,and is testimony to the fact, that different view points, may create sparks of light.
I thank you all for sharing, and pray you may continue to do so, until the next time, MOJO.

[cyberangel]

Many see the Ego as a bad thing but I do not, so long as it is not allowed to take over. We all can see others egos probably more than we can see our own...but here is how I see it...imagine our bodies as a vehicle and the ego is the engine that drives the vehicle...but it is our higher self that is sat in the driving seat...and like just any vehicle it must be serviced (meditation) regularly to keep it in perfect working order or we risk collisions. Love and Light

[mojomojo]

Hi, I love your analogy, but would you agree, the ego has run riot, and does control the majority, hence why the roads are so dangerous, or do I live in the wrong, side of town, slainte.

[aceofcups]

HI Mojo... here is my two cents on question asked

According to the esoteric understanding we are a evolving species in consciousness.. perfection is an "essence" which encompasses the whole journey (called by some being part of "The Divine Plan")... . part of our being embraces this " perfect essence" but forms we have are still evolving ... they are perfect but not perfect (a paradox) ..which is hard to see logically but can be first felt intuitively then experienced spiritually ... we are Both BEING and BECOMING.

It took us many eons to get to the level in which humans where ready to have separate ego's,,with thinking/feeling minds and ability to make choices.. most of us and our ego personalities and lives are still in these stages.... and likewise will take us eons of time to evolve towards that perfection as a total collective. Mentally understanding we are perfect is such a vast difference then truly experiencing it.

Some individual beings have evolved to point of trying to see a life beyond a separate ego..evolution is a long slow process to me. Some use the story of the snake and its skin.. you can't pull the skin off of a snake but when the time is right it will shed it's skin and fall away. So eventually with the ego. Just because one realizes we are in Essence perfect does not mean we don't have a long and a lot of work to truly experience that state of consciousness.


peace
aceofcups

[donq]

Hi mojomojo

Ego versus egoless like this one?: :-)

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The left cat might only was mistaking micetary for military?
[as military was from "miles" (genitive militis) "soldier"]
The right cat might not be a kowtow/humble cut but only a drowsy one?

[mojomojo]

Hi donq, I greatly, enjoyed your video and reply, you have a unique, and very wise way of looking at life, every time I read you thread, I come away thinking and laughing, you have a unique way of delivery, of getting your message across.

[aceofcups]

Monty, Loved the little gif pics of cats...

peace
Aceofcups