First spiritual experience.

[mojomojo]

Hi all, just curious, what was your first experience, however young, that you remember, that showed you things are not as they seem. For example, when I was a kid under the age of seven, after been a naughty boy was sent to bed early as punishment,sitting on the bed, watching the wall, next thing the wall started loosing its solidity and vibrating at an atom type level. I had no idea what was happening at the time, frightened the life out of me, so ran to the door, looked back and the same thing started happening to the bed, stood by the door crying my eyes out, until someone rescued me, imagine explaining that as a kid, every thing is shaking. Would have put it down as active childhood imagination, only it has happened four times in my life, twice as a kid, once in my thirties, and once again in my fifties, yeah, I often question my own sanity, anyone any thing similar, please don't say no, mojo.

[aceofcups]

HI Mojo... at 13 I had one of those death and return experiences (NDE),,, which made me realize that life existed on many levels of consciousness and saw many things... I was told at the time I had to come back to my physical body life.. it planted seeds of questioning about life and death which led to my life connection to exploring and delving into the esoteric aspects of existence.

peace
aceofcups

[mojomojo]

Hi Ace, how did you handle that at such a young age, or did you start questioning it later on in life. There must be loads of people out there who have had these experiences, what the hell was that, type thing and have forgotten or blocked it out, was getting a bit worried there for a while, beginning to think I was the only one, thanks for the reply, Mojo.

[tribunalofmercy]

Hi again Mojo I'll bet people have as many and varied stories of their Own beginnings toward spirituality as there are stories about first-time-I-met-my-spouse, you know? And you're right, there are probably even More people out there that have Had an experience that could be called Spiritual, but they chose to ignore it or block it, for whatever reason. When I was a little girl I was afraid of All the things I sensed and saw and knew...I ran from it for Many years because I did not understand what it was all About, and because I was taught it was probably the devil. Or mental illness.

The way you described yours makes me think of a thinning of the veil, so to speak - the breakdown between dimensions, but who knows...some cultures teach their young to look Forward to such experiences, while others (like mine) do Not - so that makes a difference in how we Interpret things we experience for the first (or second, or third...) time.

I have always been a spiritual creature, perceiving and understanding that there is So much more than this current experience, but my family and upbringing kept explaining I was Nuts, so I did not speak of it much, neither did I pursue much of it. Not til I was 22 years old did I have an experience so Very profound, so Unable to be ignored, that I realized I could not Possibly be imagining or making it up.

The important thing is that so Many of us are waking up to the Spiritual side, Mojo; it's been there, all along

Mary Anne

[tribunalofmercy]

(btw, we Have more people here; honest. It's just that they're being Quiet atm.) lol

[gruntal]

I can not recall anything now or in the past that I observed that was in any way super natural. My little universe was always painfully scientifically consistent. It was in some ways the only thing I could depend on!

I do recall many instances of human beings in denial which made their pronouncements questionable if not worthless. My sixth grade teacher was very stern and seemingly we couldn't get away with anything. And yet one poor girl was bullied by the boys and said teacher must or should have noticed it but for months the teacher did not. How could that teacher been so myopic? I never forgot that. I think after that the credibility of the entire human race was never the same with me. If I could see what was going on and nobody else noticed it might just be my burden to notice it was so. But why me?

I still have not figured that out ...or what to do about it.

[mojomojo]

Hi Mary Anne, your reply, sparked off some memories for my self, I do recall hearing it whispered in the background, when I was a kid, that I might have mental issues, also I had a slight fear of the dark, because I could sense all the active energies around me, crazy when you think, if you were born into a certain community, back in history, these things might have made life extremely difficult for you to say the least. For some reason, I always knew there was more to life than this, and everyone would say, but what? Could never understand why people were the way they were, my research did not start until my late twenties, and that was the first time ever life started making sense. Thank you for your reply, still think a lot of you are playing it safe and holding back, I jest, of course, it is entirely up to your own discretion, what you divulge. Hi Gruntal, you hit on a point , that my wife was complaining about that same evening, her complaint regarded the more she became aware, the more she saw the games people played with one another, she was referring to a work situation, and the back biting that went on behind people's backs, it was not something she wanted to hear or have anything to do with, and was not so apparent to her before, to the extent that it started bringing her down, so your not alone on that one, many thanks for your reply, Mojo.

[mojomojo]

Hi Gruntal, forgot to add, I think you ask the wrong question, it's not , why is it only you,that notices, but, why was it only you that cared, and in this case, I feel the question, gives the answer, Mojo.

[tribunalofmercy]

I do get it I have synesthesia, which is irrelevant, lol - but I also Personify most things, like numbers, letters and Objects...it's because I experienced their Energy as a small child, could not "talk" about it and did not understand what to Do about it. (Therefore, for example, doors have always been spiritual, furniture talks and the number 5 has Attitude. lol)


It shapes our Lives, mojo, and we don't even Know it. Until one day we Think about something...and go onto a spiritual website to see what Others think...and here you Are

[mojomojo]

Had to look up synesthesia, is the numeral with attitude, your life plan number, can you pick energy up when reading what some one else has wrote, do the words used, tell, you more than the sentences, they make, do I talk too much. LOL.

[tribunalofmercy]

(1) no (11 is my life-number)

(2) yes (very much)

(3) yes (Very Much)

(4) No (you don't) lol





I am one who "hears", mojo - even in the written word; is that something you do, as well?

[mojomojo]

No, but I feel your energy, lifting off the page.

[tribunalofmercy]

...can I just crawl under a rock until I get it right?  lol     I Really dislike my ego.       oh well.


Thinking about the first spiritual experiences...I remember how it Felt, the first time I became aware of the "undivided attention" of what I call the Everything...."God".    

Different "beings" wear different cloaks of authority in that way....angels, elders, ETs, and So many more....I feel it the Minute one walks into the room....(it'll cure your ADD if you have it, lol)

"God" wears the most authority of All.      Honestly, all it takes is Once, to make you realize you are Nothing.    Though we are Never "nothing" to God.

Keeps me Humble...if you understand my meaning. 


Mary Anne

[mojomojo]

There's no room left under the rocks, if we are nothing, what is it, we are trying to hide.

[tribunalofmercy]

Do you Feel like you are trying to hide (something), mojo? Or that others are? Curiosity gets me, and I want to know what you and Other people think about mans' ongoing need to Hide things...like Truth....?

[Ishtahota]

Hiding truth is about not wanting to be responsible.

[mojomojo]

Hide, I believe, there is not a single person, residing on planet earth, who does not, to some degree, and if their is, they have come in with a higher purpose than the majority. The truth has been hidden throughout history, woman has been repressed, least she discover, her power, the truth was hidden, and the weapon of choice was always fear. Either word supplements the other, do you hide, yes I fear.
which spirals us on to the next question in our ever, continuous, thought spasm's, of intellectual exercise.

HOW STRONG IS YOUR FAITH.

If we do not hide, if we have no fear, why don't we cross that final bridge. If, we, with our mystical experiences, our deeper understanding, our years of research, of reading, of meditation, of intellectual debate, if, we, in the know, have yet to cross. Do we, instead, keep one foot in the familiar, luxury of our known security, while we dangle the other in the ocean of spirituality.
Fear still rattles through every single one of us.
First there was the thought, then the thought became word, and the word became action.
Who here has enough faith, to leave everything, walk out the door with nothing more than what you wear, devout everything to the service of God, and trust in God and the universe, for your your every need,
who here has even considered it, if it works, it works. No half measures, how strong is your faith.

I live in London, there is a lot of poverty in London, always people less well off, begging for alms. One weekend, we went to Birmingham, just another city in the U.K. There is a lot of poverty in Birmingham, no different than London, or any other city. We walked along a city centre street, Saturday afternoon, very busy, people rushing everywhere. A man sat on the pavement, only visible when the crowds allowed,it was obvious, it had been quite some time since he had washed, his clothes were filthy, his hair, and he didn't dispel the air of one who eats regularly. An upturned cap sat in front of him, he starred straight ahead, said nothing, totally oblivious to the crowds rushing past him. I knew that look, I knew exactly where he was. Passing I stooped to put a few coins in his upturned cap, his head turned towards me, looked me straight in the eye, there was no sense of bitterness, no urgency, no sorrow, just complete calm, he said, thank you, God bless you, and went straight back to where he was. As I walked on, I felt no sorrow for this man, no pity, just admiration.

[Ishtahota]

Why would I want faith or belief, why not put it in the garbage where it belongs? After doing the personal clearing work up to a point to develop conscious contact and step into the knowing, why would I ever want faith and belief again.

Going back to the reason for this thread. Spiritual experience! My father died in 1998 and my mother in 1999. Sense that time they both have been back to visit on many occasions. Last night I felt someone put their hand on my back while I slept, it was my father. It has been two or three years sense his last visit. My wife and I both woke up to talk with him and then we both went back to sleep. This was the last spiritual experience that we had, one that is very common for us.

[mojomojo]

Hi, it must be of great comfort to you, and very open of you to share something so personal, thank you. As for the other discussion, there must have been some trust, to me trust, belief, faith is all the same, for you to even begin to do the clearing work, to even entertain spirituality, and even at that, we have gone off topic. The discussion was more about, that small residue of fear that stops people going all out, as Buddha did, entertaining spirituality to the extremes, where they give up everything, renounce materialism,To go that far, one would have to be totally rid of fear and trust one hundred per cent in God, to me there is still a spark of fear in everyone.

[Ishtahota]

When I was 18 I hurt someone and their family really badly. I had met someone and we were planning on getting married. There was something that I was very driven to do and find out about. It had to do with spiritual knowledge. And being young and stupid I thought taking a shortcut on certain drugs was the answer. One night her and her parents had a naked lunatic running naked through their house and downtown area. The lady saved my life that night by getting me to the hospital, to much LSD is not a good thing. I woke up the next morning to find out that I would never see or talk to her again. That night left scares on both of us, that were not going to heal.
I was then living a catch 22 from hell, there was nothing that I could ever do or say that would change the past. The funny thing was that when I would try to end my life or I got really down about this situation I would always hear this song playing by Kansas.( carry on my wayward son there will be peace when you are done, lay your weary head to rest. Don’t you cry no more.) When I would start to walk out into traffic, a car would pull up block my path and that song would be playing. Or I would start to drive my car off of the road and that song would come on to the radio.
Move forward many years, well decades. I had a time where things started to bother me again, and I prayed to someday heal this up with this person. We have a sweat lodge here at the house and one day I saw this line of black ants going threw the fire pit, across the alter and threw the lodge and out into the woods. In the native culture ants mean patients. I prayed agin and the next week I saw a two lane highway threw our lodge site. Black ants were going east to west and red ants were beside them going the other way. This was dead center of our ceremonial grounds. When we light a fire to do lodge they would stop and the next day they were back.
I was still getting very down and depressed, half doubting the sign that I had been given. Then one night after midnight I had a call from someone who was there at the start of that original night. He asked me if I believed in spirits and I told him yes. He explained that he had been in prison for the last 19 years and that the spirits would not leave him along until he called me and told me of a vision that he had been given. He said that he had always felt responsible for that night. He was so happy to finally find me to give me this message. He said that he saw her and I healing up the past and making things alright someday. He said that the spirits would not let him sleep until he found me and passed this vision on to me.I had not seen or talked to this man in over twenty years.
It was not long after that, that I was standing out back of the house thinking about the things that had happened when I looked over to see this dogwood tree in full bloom by the back door. There were three things funny about this dogwood tree. One was that it was August and dogwoods bloom in April. This tree normally had white blooms in the spring time before the leaves come out and these blooms were slowly turning pink and red. The last thing was that all of the blooms on this tree were turning around to face the house, even the ones on the opposite side of the tree.
Bottom line about all of this is that I could never make contact with this person in the physical world, so that only left the spiritual journey for me to use to watch over them with. This was a driving force to my whole life. To become the kind of elder that I did not have back then.
I have a medicine bag that I wear around my neck and in that bag is a red bloom from that tree. It has been 40 years and still counting!!!! But I have around my neck a promise from God and the spirits that someday things will be healed and we will both have peace.

[mojomojo]

Wow, I have no comment to make after that, you have left me slightly speechless, I suppose every one is pulled by spirit, in some way or another, for me it was constant occurrences that could not be explained, but I just brushed to the side, and life would become more and more difficult, until pushed to almost breaking point, it was then I entertained spirituality, and when I did life would even out. But if I put it down or tried to ignore it, life would always dip again, until I was firmly back on track, which kind of made me question the free will bit, do you believe that some people have no choice, and spirit will always use life to bring you back on track. Again, thanks for sharing, Mojo.

[Ishtahota]

As far as I can tell life is free will and choice. Keeping that in mind I also see pain and suffering being resistance to our own personal truth. We can choose to go against our destiny, our vision, and purpose for this life, if we are willing to face the consiquenses of our actions. But then when I find myself in pain and suffering I dive into it. I welcome it because if I look at it the way Spirit wants me to, If I get the lesson, there is this rush of energy, sense of freedom, a deep reliese, that others only wish that they could have. I simply tell people to learn to love the AFGE. AFGE = Another Friggen Growth Experience

[mojomojo]

Hi all, I put up a thread in the last twenty fours, and upon reflection, think, it left too much room for people to pick up the wrong way, or even to be offended, hopefully not. If I rant on about a topic, it is usually me thinking out loud, the questions I throw out, yes, are up for debate, but they are always directed at myself, and no one else. I do hope that anyone reading, did not think, the questions were aimed at them, and pray no one took it as a personal judgement. I come from a mixed pot of spiritualism, both east and west, I do have great interest in those that renounce all, and live a solitary life, and that this requires one hundred per cent commitment. To me these people are one hundred per cent free of fear and one hundred per cent committed, it is from this standard that I try to judge myself. I pray no one came away with the idea, that I was been judgemental, and that anyone who did not commit one hundred per cent, was a part timer, using spirituality as a hobby, please, no, that was not the intention what so ever, if any one left with that impression, I apologise, ten thousand times, especially to the person who asked the question.
i used to talk in this format to God, just me thinking out loud, throwing out questions, not aimed at anyone, just putting them out there. When one night During meditation, God gave his answer. I was standing on a cliff edge, looking out to sea, a huge wave started to build, and on top of this wave, was a huge mythical figure, with a beard , carrying a three pronged spear. He came at speed, right to the waters edge, his immeasurable size causing great disruption to the water, and if that was not awe inspiring enough, he pointed straight at me, he did not look happy. Then as quick as he came, he turned, disappeared down into the water as he moved out, and he was gone, like nothing had happened.
 I thought, O my God, what have I done, I must have done something terrible, I had no idea who this mythical figure was, I went online typed in God like figure who rides on the crest of a wave,  HABAKKUK, I was stunned, mythical figure, with beard, three pronged spear, who rides on the crest of a wave. Seemingly HABAKKUK, was a prophet, who was always arguing with and questioning GOD, along the lines of, why is it people who entertain you suffer and those who do not, everything seems to come their way. HABAKKUK, has been on my mind, last night, so I thought, o' no, I've done it again, I hope this thread helps to clear things up, and would like to emphasise that, I only question myself, even though I do it out loud. If anyone was offended, please accept my sincerest apologies, and again I emphasise especially to the person who asked the question,.

[tribunalofmercy]

Good morning Mojo Um, I know I have not been offended by anything you have said I've just been trying to Take Turns, lol - let Other people talk.

I have never been afraid to talk to God in that way, my friend; to ask Questions, though I ask them as a beloved child, not rudely but with Open heart, Believing there are Answers and waiting to Learn them.

I cannot speak to your Habakkuk experience; I certain believe you Had it. I know from past times that I have Experienced something but did not understand the full Meaning until much later, leading me to believe I can trust what I experience, but not necessarily my Understanding of it...so I write things down, and I Think, and I Wait.


Side note: I'm sure Ishtahota's experience was painful and lasting to him, and Ishta, I want you to know you Motivated me yesterday...I attempted contact with someone from my Distant past (by email, but still) to let him know I Remember our troubles, and the part I played in them...I knew an apology was Not appropriate, but I told him I Remembered what I felt were my mistakes (I Listed them). That I had not Blindly gone through the experience but Knew the pain I helped cause, you know? It felt cathartic, somehow - a Need to make the statement, and I'm glad I did.




Mary Anne

[mojomojo]

Then please forgive my rudeness, for I doubt HABAKKUK makes futile journeys.

[Ishtahota]

One of the things that I tell people about spirit work, is that things are never as they seem. And chat rooms and forums are even worse than real life. It is just the writen word. No body language or tone of voice to follow to give added meanings. And when dealing with spirits it is important to know that they do not think the way that we do. We are humans and we are also in duality consciousness, so we tend to come from a place of fear most of the time. We tend to think the worst first.

[mojomojo]

I have to agree with you, and it was that very word, fear, that was the topic. If every single person on the planet, had no fear, not one ounce of residual fear in our entire being, where would we be?

[tribunalofmercy]

I don't understand the fear...I admit that, from the perspective perhaps, of someone who is Introverted (I'm not *coughs*)...or someone who has had negative experiences in dealing with people (I have...been through the Gamut of violent crimes, yes. And been ridiculed, abandoned, etc - it just never Took, somehow)....I am just not Afraid, but I See it in people...

I make people Nervous in general. In real life, online, you Name it. Because I don't "come at" things the normal way. And I must Wait, hoping people will "come play with me" so we can Learn from each other, and Grow, becoming more like Spirit with each encounter.

Btw, I do Not like creating fear, lol - I'm putting a picture up this week...seriously. I am Not good with selfies (seriously clumsy, here), but sister IS (!) going to take one of me with my "god-dog" by tomorrow so I won't be some faceless avatar, talking about Weird-ness and such

[mojomojo]

To me, fear is the one thing, that stands between us been fully back in spirit, if fear is conquered, then the ego falls away completely, and what is left is the full embodiment of spirit. I know, fear is my biggest problem, but it's the deep seated, buried in your subconscious type. I can move into the zone, be fully in the now and it's gone, but somehow, something will always creep back and pull you back out. I reckon if I conquer fear, I will take off in a blinding flash of light and leave a smouldering pair of shoes behind. Coming at things from a different angle, adds character to the mix, it should be welcomed.

[David Byrne]

My first experience was learning that people are evil and getting drunk is better