presence of spirit.

[mojomojo]

Has anyone had the experience of the presence of spirit after a few months of meditating and breathing exercises, this has happened twice, and gives one the impression of been stared at constantly, which after a while, becomes quiet unnerving, it seems to leave, when requested, have had visits from past family members before which was more lighter even joyous. Anyone any ideas, many thanks.

[Leon]

Hi mojomojo, welcome to the group, what you have to watch after meditation is that you learn to close down properly after meditation. It does seem that you have become too open. There are many techniques for closing down afterwards, I am sure a few of our members will give you a few. When dealing with spirit you must remember you are the one in control and not them. They are there to help you, not irritate you, ask them kindly to come only when you are ready. Set times of day when you meditate when you want spirit communication. Let them know exactly how this is going to work, say it aloud or in your mind, but do take control of the situation. Until you get control try putting the tv or radio on in the background, this helps in blocking sounds and vibrations that may come with spirit.

[mojomojo]

HI Leon, thanks for your reply, but I don't invite them, they come of their own accord, I understand what you mean by closing myself off, as one particular night my wife couldn't touch me without getting electrical shocks, thanks again.

[Leon]

By meditating you are opening yourself up to anything, yes these spirits may feel uninvited, but it is like you have a big light on your head saying "come and speak to me". Learn to close down after meditation, always believe in God and the power of good over evil. Learn more about closing yourself down after meditation and you will see an improvement. This is a common problem, many years ago I could not sleep at night it felt like there was a massive generator down stairs and someone was pushing all the furniture around. I felt it was a chinese gentleman doing this. I used to leave the tv or the radio on as it spooked me a little bit. I prayed and asked for it to go away, which it did. But then after it had gone, I felt a little upset, I sort of missed my little friend

[aceofcups]

Hi Mojo... greetings .. I don't know you so not sure what type of meditation your doing... but been a meditator for last 45 years... as a general rule some people like to do an attunement with one's higher self at the beginning of meditation or call in helpers etc.. Was the starring ominous in nature or just intense?... because I felt that many years ago the starring feeling but it was my inner teachers and my higher consciousness who were helping with my meditations and watching any growth I was making.

Here is a type of inner mental attunement you could use at start of meditation:

"May I call upon the Highest Within to be with me now in my period of meditation as I align my physical body, my etheric, my emotional astral body and my mental body to be aligned and integrated with the Higher Spirit within."

Good luck on your journey

peace
aceofcups

[mojomojo]

HI, Thank you very much for your reply, I have had the experience of standing back and observing myself doing routine tasks, but this staring is different, if you where in a pub and someone was constantly staring at your back, you would sense it, the longer it went on the more irritating it becomes, it's along those lines, I would not say it was threatening, but it does build nervousness, maybe that part comes solely from my self. It has been suggested before,that it could be spirit guides, but why do they want to come and live with me. This happens every time, when I go back to meditating, it has also been suggested, that spirits can attach and come back with you, if travelling through the lower realms during meditation, the meditation I do, is nothing more than emptying the mind, but always seem to end up traveling, it's the spirits coming back with me part, I don't like, what if I get a stubborn one, who doesn't want to leave. I have had many wonderous experiences meditating, but this part puts me off every time, again thanks for your help.

[tribunalofmercy]

Leon - or Ace - am I allowed to ask for a more specific description from Mojo in the "Spiritual Questions" forum?    I don't want to go Off Format, so please assist if necessary....


If allowed - then Mojo, may I ask - when you feel this "staring", this spirit presence, is it usually During your meditation? Do you continue to feel it during your day, or evening, afterward? You say you have asked it to leave and it seems to...at what point do you ask it to leave?

I am curious because of our own Interpretations of these experiences...the increasing awareness of energy in General, in things around us, often cause developing acquaintances of mine to describe feeling "watched" or "stared at" now that they are Recognizing more energy signatures around them....

Or it could be "presences", as you say, that tag along from the astral plane...or it could be the sensation of being Stared at by your Higher Self, if you are not used to experiencing that. That "initial" sensation, during meditation time, can feel Invasive and can make you Wonder if Someone is in your mind, behind your closed eyes, With you...

It could be any one of Several things, which is why I ask.

Mary Anne

[mojomojo]

Hi Mary Ann, God, this forums good. This happens after a period of roughly two months, meditating every day, sometimes twice a day, around 45 mins a session. Once it arrives, that's it, it's here 24/7, obviously it feels stronger at quieter times when alone. First time it happened, I hadn't a clue, but some how found myself asking it to leave after a few days, which it did. This time around, I tried to stick it out a while longer, but found myself becoming more anxious as time went on, so again asked it to leave, and again it did. I have not picked up anything bad about it, more neutral, if that makes sense. It moves about, I could be in the kitchen, and be slightly startled, as I feel it move pass, enough to turn your head sharply. But it's the feeling of been constantly starred at, that I don't like. Would love to find out for certain, what's happening, many thanks in advance for any ideas you have and your help.

[tribunalofmercy]

Well, that's certainly more specific information And I still wouldn't know for certain what presence it is, but your information seems to rule out your Higher Self! (nope, not that)

I am aware that presences described in this way can come from the astral planes during your meditation openness, but they also may be drawn to your stronger Light as you have increased your spiritual energy by meditating! Not all presences are invasive or damaging but if it is a Spirit, one that has passed but not moved on, I know not All of them are in a hurry to do so...there are some people who have said Yes, a spirit will Leave if you ask it to but may soon come Back, just because it enjoys your energy. So it would be up to You to decide if you want someone with Experience to verify and help the spirit "move on" (I am not one who does this generally, but there are many who Can).

There is a possibility that the spirit/presence could be a Guide to you, and you have only recently become Aware of it; they, also, will respect your wishes and leave but may be prompted to Hang Around to assist you...one way to become More aware of the Difference is to adjust your meditation frequency up, as best you can.

For example, I listen to music during my meditation times and have found it Helpful to utilize the music and waves that resonate with Me; I can hear my own spirit guide Much more clearly, as well as more easily Avoid the lower astral planes, by doing that (choosing my music well). I currently prefer gamma waves with lower Hz binaural beat, but that's a Personal favorite to "get where I need to go"....if you have not experimented with different practices or Hz frequencies, now may be a good time to do so - so you can recognize "who's visiting" even More clearly.

I have not been at this as long as Leon and Ace, Mojo, so there are Many issues they can speak to from experience. It's not really an exact science, is it? Please remain watchful but remember this does not have to be a Frightening experience, just one to learn more About, so you can make an Informed decision.

[mojomojo]

Hi, thank you for your quick reply, I have not had problems with it returning after having left, your mention of the astral planes, has for some reason struck a chord, I have seen beings while travelling, and it did register at the time, that I was on the lower planes, but on another occasion, I was guided and accompanied, I actually remember been told, ok , we're taking you up a level, this happened four times, at the fourth level I saw what I thought was Krishna, when he divided in to two seperate beings, surrounded by a brilliant colour, which I now can't remember, so maybe your right, getting caught on the lower planes and bringing back souvenirs. Again thank you for your help, many thanks.

[aceofcups]

HI Mojo... you said - "This happens after a period of roughly two months, meditating every day, sometimes twice a day, around 45 mins a session." Actually that is a considerable amount of time to do meditation. and would not be surprised that it is attracting positive forces and beings within you.

The process of meditation itself harmonizes your energy fields , so not surprised you have feelings after your finished,,, It may not be that it "goes home with you" just that the centered energy your got into via mediation is continuing and any thoughts you had while you were meditating lingers.

The thing is to remember we only attract to us energies similar to what we are.


peace
aceofcups

[mojomojo]

Hi,  if that was the case , would the feelings linger for days, I stop meditation when this happens. I do understand what you are saying, but definitely feel this is a separate energy, rather than something I project. I'am tempted to ask for protective assistance, in the future, and see if it makes any difference, trial and error seems the only way, until some one finds the rule book. I would like to thank everyone for their advice and help, and hope to converse with you all again, in the very near future, many thanks.

[aceofcups]

mojo

Protective assistance is great idea,,, was similar to idea of saying the few words of intent before starting meditation in earlier reply.

good travel.

peace
aceofcups

[cyberangel]

Hi Mojomojo...
It sounds to me like you have a 'Shadow Energy' from what I understand about these energies...they manifest as a product of your thoughts...if you are in a lower vibration you will feed this energy. You really need to understand how these lower energies work and remember that it IS part of your own energy but not fully...and like the name suggests its just a shadow...now you say you ask it to leave and it does...which shows you are the one in control...your higher self is always guiding you...if you want to get rid of this shadow you seriously need to raise your vibes my friend...Instead you are by the sounds of it feeding it...and like anything you feed...it grows. Come back into the light and the shadow will fade away. Hope this helps. Love and Light

[mojomojo]

Wow, never heard of a shadow energy before, just did a search on the subject, I read if they get a hold, it can influence your thoughts, to negativity and feed off that. There was a period of time, where every negative experience in my past, kept constantly playing over in my mind, and I couldn't for the life of me, understand why. But, what does this mean, I have to lift my vibration before I consider meditation, I must still be carrying an awful lot of baggage. I thought, I had progressed to some degree along the spiritual path, I must have just swapped my ego for a spiritual one, it does fit though, travel through the lower planes, attracting energies that feed off negativity, guess I'm not as squeaky clean as I thought. Thank you very much for your reply, not really sure where to go from here though, again, many thanks to all, absolutely great forum, wish I had found you guys years ago

[cyberangel]

Hi again Mojomojo

I should have advised you against looking up Shadow Energy on the internet, unless someone you trust has personally recommended a site, as there are lots of well meaning 'misinformation' out there.

Shadow Energy is NOT something separate from yourself, it does not have a consciousness of its own, and it is just a shadow of your thoughts and nothing more, despite all the info out there on the net. Shadow energies reside within all of us and are natural, but when we sense our shadows (our darker sides) it can be often confusing and disturbing, but that need not be the case (We only fear that which we do not know)

You mention you become more aware of this feeling of being ‘watched’ after meditation?...Let me assure you that it has nothing to do with meditation...’true meditation’ naturally raises ones vibration to that of their higher self and sometimes beyond...but I won’t go into that right now. What I want to do it to try and explain what I think is happening and why I think it is shadow energy.

Let’s start with the mind first...there are 3 states of consciousness we must travel through before we can reach true meditation level...We start off with our conscious mind...the logical thinker...the awareness of oneself and body...we go through our daily thoughts.....trying to quieten and calm the mind.....

next we move onto the subconscious mind...this is the state where dreams are made...it is the state where all our memories past and present reside...every thought, action and impression is recorded here...the deepest depths of our very being lie here...
but it is here that the conscious mind and the subconscious mind can ‘overlap’...you can feel confused by thoughts or images your subconscious brings up and your conscious mind tries to make sense of it...and this can sometimes be confused into thinking it is intuition...where in fact... it is just your subconscious memories it has access to...(this is the stage I feel you are reaching in your meditations)

now the 3rd level of consciousness is what is called Super-conscious...this is where you are in a heightened state of lucidity...where your true intuition comes from...this is the point we need to reach when meditating...it is in this state that we can go through the different levels of meditation...

I hope this and helped and not further confused you my friend. Try to stay in the present my friend and not be drawn into the past by your memories...but usually when a shadow energy is noticed it usually means there are issues that you need to address before you can continue. Shadow work can be really good and something we should all do from time to time, but you should wait until you are ‘ready’ to face your shadow...your own dark side.

I will try and get back later to write more on this but I have to go out now for a few hours, but if I get a chance when I return I will but I will leave you with a video I found 2 or 3 years ago and found it very good at explaining the whole shadow self. Anyway I hope this has helped you some and not made you more confused.

Love and Light friend

[mojomojo]

Hi, brilliant, really enjoyed the video, but can a shadow energy come across as a separate entity, to the extent, that as it moves by, it can slightly startle, enough to cause you to turn your head sharply, as if someone came up behind you un-announced. I feel slightly disappointed with myself, as I know I have a lot of negative baggage, but thought I had dealt with it to some degree, now feel as if I have been standing at the bottom of the spiritual ladder, turning around in circles, thinking I was making progress, but going nowhere. Looks like I have to try and deal with the negativity again, once again thank you very much, I do appreciate all your responses and time, many thanks.

[tribunalofmercy]

Oh my, it's a Lot to take in, isn't it. :/

Mojo, if You feel you are dealing with a lot of negativity in your life, or perhaps even in your meditation time, then please don't add More negative thoughts by feeling you are getting "nowhere"...it is Intent that matters to start - so is your Intent pure? To be closer to Love, and to Truth? Meditation has Guidelines for us, yes, so that we won't get Sidetracked, or open ourselves up to Many "beings" that know what's Up out there when we don't...but I'm a big believer in Asking Yourself, and being Specific, my friend. YOU are the one with power to control what Ultimately happens, and I'll tell you that your Higher Self wants to get in touch with You, as much as You do

Please consider learning to Shield yourself well when beginning your meditation, before you even close your eyes...you can imagine a Strong elemental shield using those elements you Most closely identify with, and Build one...it Works, but I'm hoping one of the others here can add to this with other ideas for good shielding...

I say this to Encourage you, because sometimes we just Get Messy when learning these things! Not that you Want uninvited guests hanging about, but they can be removed, and you will Learn to avoid this in the future

Namaste, Mojo

Mary Anne

[cyberangel]

Dear Mojomojo

My sincere apologies...I have completely read your thread now and must confess I did not the first time and therefore sent you off in the opposite direction, please excuse me.

I thought you were just ‘feeling’ like there was a presence was around you...I did not realise that you are actually seeing things...this is completely different to what I was talking about, so for now please forget my previous responses.

I also echo Leon’s, Mary Annes and Ace’s responses.

So I will share with you what I do before and after each meditation and you can either customise it to suit yourself or make one to suit your own beliefs.

Before meditation I have a little ritual I perform...it just helps me to set the atmosphere and it helps me to prepare for my meditation. I usually start with lighting some frankincense and a small candle in front of an angel statue I have...as I light it I ask Archangel Michael (the angel of protection) to shield and protect me while I meditate...I say:

“I ask the Archangel Michael to Heal and Protect my aura. Close it to all but the Christ vibration. Do not allow anyone to enter on any level without your permission. Thank you Thank you Thank you.”

As I say the prayer I close my eyes and picture Archangel Michael place a shield...which I picture as clear dome over my entire being...I know I am safe and protected and that nothing can come through his shield.

I then call on my own guardian angel with me in the shield and before I start my meditation I say:

“O Angel sent by God guide me, be my light and walk beside me, be my guardian and protect me, on my path of life direct me...Thank you Thank you Thank you”

These prayers alone are of a very high vibration and are powerful.

After each meditation...I like to drink a glass of water to help ground myself. I repeat the above guardian angel prayer then I blow out the candle and go about my day.

Once again I am sorry for not reading your thread properly the first time and I hope this helps you. Take care my friend and hope to hear from you soon.

Love and Light

[mojomojo]

Hi once again, I think I may have misled you, I don't actually see anything visually, but can detect spirit by feeling when it passes, I have had visits from past family members before, and could feel or sense, who it was, as they came and sat beside me on the couch. We used to have a pet golden retreiver, who sadly we had to put down due to cancer, but he had a habit of jumping up and putting his two front paws around your waist for balance, he even came with the family members, and you could sense his excited energy running around the place, that night is a night I will never forget and best of all, my wife was present and experienced it all as well, it is his name that I use, Mojo. Again many thanks to you all, I have only joined your forum very recently, and feel like I'am dealing with old friends already, many thanks.