exorcism

[donq]

This is just Sunday casual talking. Please don't take it so seriously. 

After I had postponed to watch The Conjuring (2013) many times, finally I finished watching it. I think it’s a good movie. Scary but a good one. It’s based on a true story of the paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren. (Somehow, Vera Farmiga who performed as Lorraine Warren, reminded me of one of our friends here. Guess who? )

What I am going to say is not ironic/sarcastic expression. I don’t think I like sarcasm. Besides, the better way to criticize something is not to waste your time to criticizing it at all, right? (hmm..yes, this sounded a bit sarcastic. Sorry. )

What I wonder is why this kind of ghost (devil/demon) is always a bully? Why do they hurt (or even kill) good/innocent people? What the point? Why not just take vengeance on only the person who had killed them in the first place?
Or they (these ghosts) cannot control themselves? Like a leaky gas, an uncontrollable energy?
I think It’s not fair to just say, “they are not real, just a fiction/imagination” because, at least, there some solid explanations about this.
Some paranormal investigators believed it had something to do with the minds of “other” people involved, For example, objects are moved not by any demon but by (unconscious) telekinesis of some resident who got a trouble state of mind.
Some psychologists tried to explain that it’s some kind of self-hypnosis, deep trance, like hysteric conditions. Or in the case of Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder).
Hmmm…then, the perform of exorcism, the process to heal those who are in the demonic possession (by a malevolent, super-natural power etc.), does make sense, doesn’t it? It is not so different from the process a psychiatrist/psychotherapist approaches his/her patients. Talk in the same language as a patient does?
Any idea?

[donq]

The following is video on psychokinesis of Nina Kulagina.

Ninel (or Nina) Kulagina (the pseudonym of Nelya Mikhailova) was born in Soviet Russia. She displayed remarkable psychic abilities, including
telekinesis/psychokinesis. In 1968, her videos were shown at the First Moscow International Conference on Parapsychology, giving visiting American parapsychologists a chance to smuggle some of the films out of the Soviet Union.)
clip by DarkSecretTV




P.S. I myself believe in this kind of stuff. Besides, I could sense that Nina was so exhausted after she tried to use her ability to demonstrate that. Her exhaustion could not be faked like that, right?

[gruntal]

You always hurt the one you love. Unless of course you truly think of the others above your own wants and needs.
I can picture someone unfortunately dependent on another for their care. When ever they heard their caregivers experience any thing good in their lifes it feels them full of terror. The reason being the caregiver would immerse them selves in the newly acquired treasure - even spiritual enlightenment -and forget or neglect their duties.

If you could experience another one's hurt and pain that would be a lesson but only to the extent you were not masochistic yourself. I would hate to bet on that one either.

And you wonder why free will is so important in the universe? I have reason to believe more then one demon was recalled even after the exorcism. I guess there was more choice here then I realised. Bad choices but choices nevertheless.

[donq]

Hi Gruntal,

You wrote:
“You always hurt the one you love.”

Hmm…it’s true, as Elias Canetti said,:

“Adults find pleasure in deceiving a child. They consider it necessary, but they also enjoy it. The children very quickly figure it out and then practice deception themselves.”

You wrote:
“I have reason to believe more then one demon was recalled even after the exorcism.”

Agree. Let’s compare to a deception. I think a self deception is a paradox. When we are deceived we don’t know that we are deceived. Instead, we think we really know the truth. On the other hand, when we are deceiving others, we have no idea (about that deception) and think we tell them the truth.

What a web of paradox!

“Oh, the tangled webs we weave
When we practice to deceive.”
- Sir Walter Scott

I think the hardest part of any exorcism is to get ride of that very demon, not deceiving oneself?

“Nothing is so difficult as not deceiving oneself.”
- Ludwig Wittgenstein