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Post by newagenewbie on Nov 5, 2012 18:58:39 GMT
Hey guys. I'm a long time spiritual seeker. But just became a little more familiar with this whole new age thing. A lot of it doesn't make sense to me and the rest I just flat out don't understand it. I don't know if it's the way I'm percieving things or how the information is being put out. I'm looking for some good spiritual information. There is so much stuff that doesn't really make sense to me within the new age stuff, that I don't know where to begin to ask questions.. A lot of the new age stuff doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe you guys can help clearify some things for me? Thanks.
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sparklekaz
Someone asked me.. What is your religion? I said, "All the paths that lead to the light".
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Post by sparklekaz on Nov 5, 2012 20:23:58 GMT
Hi newagenewbie, Welcome to The God Light.  I believe the words new age are misleading, as there is nothing new.. about the spiritual practices and information out there on spiritual growth, learning through self understanding and awareness. In fact it is all, very very old. People might rephrase something, but basically most of the techniques and knowledge available are thousands of years old. It is only in recent years, that western cultures have been catching up with ancient eastern traditions. I would love to hear more about you, what you yourself have discovered so far on your spiritual path and where have your spiritual interests taken you. Do not underestimate what you already know, you could probably teach many 'new agers' more then a thing or too. We continually meet people who have read one spiritual book and suddenly they are an expert. I am not saying that reading is not a very good source of information, but for me books have always been a spring board, providing me with different view points and perspectives. I believe, spiritual growth rarely comes any other way then through, living, loving, observing and experiencing life. Its all about the doing isn't it. The living your beliefs, walking your walk.. not just talking the talk. I look forward to getting to know you better, hearing about your thoughts and interests, and reading your posts. Love and light Kaz |
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Post by newagenewbie on Nov 5, 2012 21:13:08 GMT
Well, I'm 23 years old. I've always been searching for a higher, deeper purpose to things. The "new age" came to me about 2 years ago with a few divinely guided expereinces. I'm a simple mind and know that if God wants to get a message to humanity, its not going to be some complex super elite math equation. I also don't feel that God works through only one person to get a message across either. Let alone people needing some kind of science to understand God. I give her much more credit than that. God favors equality. And why would she only unveil her mysteries to those "intellectual" enough to understand. I feel that even a child should be able to understand God's Truth. I use to really be involed in the science of stuff then, I realized God doesn't need for us to use some super technology in order to connect with her. That's what our heart is for. More like the spiritual heart though. Jesus talked about being liberated from the desires of the flesh, and this makes sense becuase he was a spiritual teacher. Not a Biology professor =P.
I've read into Eckhart Tolle and that makes no sense at all. I kinda understand what he is saying I guess. I don't know if it's me or how he writes, or his overall idea of "the now". It's kinda like he is telling you not to think. And he kinda contradicts himself too. For instance on page 98 in The Power of Now he says "There is nothing you need to understand before you can become present". I agree with this 100%. My question is, why can't he just say that quote? Why does he have so many books telling people how to become presant? He like cancels himself out by doing that. And if you are only living in the now, you aren't thinking about the consequenses of your decisions. I would honestly go crazy if I was living in a world and everyone acted how he does. I think very little would get done too.
Another thing that I don't understand is the whole it's all one idea. This kinda rules out the existance of evil. It's well known to all spiritual folk that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to make humanity think he doesn't exist. Why don't these people see evil in the world? They think its all love and it's clearly not. My heart aches when I think of all the curroption in the world.. I had to spend 6 months in jail a few years ago and I saw some very spiteful things in there.. Not to even mention some of the stories I heard... God may be One, but our free will is what allows us to choose betweend God's right and wrong and Satan's right and wrong. If it was all one, we would have nothing to compare our decisons to. In order for us to become a better person spiritually. I mean would you ever steal a purse from an eldery woman just to have her money?
I see a lot of flaws in the way a lot of this stuff is presented. Can you or someone else show me if there are any flaws in how I see these ideas? Thanks.
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Post by gruntal on Nov 5, 2012 22:43:23 GMT
My own two cents worth, especially on the subject of right vs. wrong: I grew up in Christianity and the need for salvation. Even before we kids could read we were presented with a book of colors i.e. black white red gold etc. it started out very dark (sin) but ended bright and cheerful (gold). I never really understood that and eventually just abandoned the sin-salvation concept.
Except, as I endlessly drummed into people's heads here and anywhere else they were gullible enough to put up with me: there were still absolutes very much in evidence in the Cosmos. Our inheritance as human beings was free choice but we couldn't invent the perfect plan any more then we could change the laws of chemistry and physics.
There were many paths and one goal. But NOT every path was the right direction. All life was choosing. And you would never live long enough to know which path was correct.
The only saving grace was that you did NOT need much of the way of intelligence to decide. Intuition, conscience, literally "feeling good" was far more telling then anything you could learn from a book or even talking with or observing some one. Yes we are all "one" and Lucifer is just a smart fellow that shouldn't be taken too seriously. Love is nice but pain is the best incentive to growth.
To me the first indication of the "calling" is to feel it even exists in the first place. And that you can know and progress (if not suffer a few untold agonies along the way) using your feelings to guild you in the right direction.
Well I did learn three dimensional integral calculus in the past as a sort of back up just in case. Nothing wrong with that. I just, like Lucifer, had to learn not to take myself too seriously.
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Post by newagenewbie on Nov 6, 2012 21:41:23 GMT
Dude, Lucifer is a very serious thing to take into consideration. To not take him seriously is to ignore some parts of the wickedness he infests within this world. It is not God asking gangs to run into apartments and rape grandmothers. And for ancient cultures to preform human sacrifices... Sorry for the grotesque imagery but these are real things that we are faced with today. Just becuse this isn't in your direct reality doesn't mean it's not happening.. That's just apathy and ignorance. I was baffled when I saw that there are people that truly believe this about reality. Not saying you are one of them or anything. Please don't think that. But what kind of "god" would ask it's "children" to kill other people to make it happy...?
And if we were only acting upon what "feels" good, we would be doomed. Heroin feels good but its bad for us. I actually use that bad feeling to work for me and guide me to what I'm doing in that moment that causes that feeling. When I can be honest with myself and see what casues that bad feeling within me it's always because of certain choices I'm making that are hurtful. This way I can change the bad habit I'm doing in order to become a better person. And feeling empathy for another while they're suffering. This "bad feeling" is what gives us compassion too. By being able to feel what another person is going though.
Why would you compare yourself to lucifer instead of God too? I would much rather compare myself to God. The more I can see myself acting in alignment with God instead of lucifer, the more I know I am walking the right path. I would never do anything lucifer would do.. That's just bad.
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Post by gruntal on Nov 6, 2012 23:56:07 GMT
Assuming G*d was worthy of the name then He/She would have to be by definition omnipotent. That pretty much precludes alternate deities. Indeed everything in creation would have to be embraced as a part of G*d's plan. Satan included.
So why is there bad things? I can only observe they exist and apparently can not be erased; only embraced and dealt with. I find it comforting that not even G*d can prevent us from using our free will. What a privilege! I wonder how many beings can experience that. I would not have it any other way.
That does mean we are at the mercy of the others sometimes. Plus we don't always know what to do even given best intentions. I stubbornly think we, as individuals or as groups, knew better then to do the less then desirable things we do. That is what I mean by "feelings". But it is not an "all or nothing" process. I think of Lucifer as metal and physical knowledge that was perverted into a way of life. Because you could never be smart enough alone to avoid death.
One of the best truisms I have ever heard was from a fundamentalist Christian who opined: "Everyone I have ever observed who tried to follow the path experienced more grief and pain then they ever anticipated". "But they always said it was worth it". Apparently there are feelings and then there are feelings.. As you observe there is a difference. The choice is yours to make and you are to be congratulated for seeking it out.
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Post by newagenewbie on Nov 8, 2012 23:55:30 GMT
Assuming G*d was worthy of the name then He/She would have to be by definition omnipotent. That pretty much precludes alternate deities. Indeed everything in creation would have to be embraced as a part of G*d's plan. Satan included. So why is there bad things? I can only observe they exist and apparently can not be erased; only embraced and dealt with. I find it comforting that not even G*d can prevent us from using our free will. What a privilege! I wonder how many beings can experience that. I would not have it any other way. God has a plan but Satan is not within the control of it. God does not seek to control. If God was in control of everything free will wouldn't exist. Because we have free will there is duality. A choice to either serve God or serve satan... "You cannot serve two masters". I also choose not to embrace the darker parts of myself, because when I did I became destructive. All I do not, is change them. Change the destructive habits and ways of thinking to better serve God. By finding compassion, humility, and honesty with myself. |
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Post by alvinw333 on Nov 18, 2013 21:58:52 GMT
Check out Eckankar the Light and Sound of God. Jts easy to understand and you'll have real experances with the Light and Sound by the spiritual exersises. Jesus was tought Eckankar and became the Mahanta the son of God
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