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Post by subsidinginsanity on Sept 27, 2012 3:30:05 GMT
As I become more and more privy to all the things my government is doing I keep asking myself the same basic question. Is it possible to love the country but not the government? I won't get into all the politics and conspiracy theories as I do not think a Spiritual forum is the place for it, but I'd like to know if it's possible to be patriotic while not supporting the government.
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Post by gruntal on Sept 28, 2012 5:58:14 GMT
Mine was the generation that had "Love It Or Leave It" bumper stickers shoved in our faces. Some responded by being the most egocentric self centered narcissistic generation in a long time! Some fled to Canada and one wound up in Cuba and then France and came back to the land of slavery but somewhat contrite. I guess he missed us after all.
Yeah I had to sign a Loyalty Oath just to work as a $1.80 per hour student lab assistant. No dirty Commies allowed! But I was never forced to work there and do much of anything that compromised my beliefs. So it was my free choice.
I try to show compassion to the others even though they probably ruined everything by the way they voted. In the final analysis it wasn't bad leaders that we had; it was lousy citizens that made bad choices.
But in most cases they meant well so I fell sorry for them and figure the country is still worthwhile. Remember when Nixon disgraced us all by his treachery? Do you? But do you remember when President Eisenhower sent Vice President Nixon to South America to represent us and the locals stoned his car? I watched it on the television and Nixon came off as a hero! Things change; we change too and what was and is patriotic changes but that only goes as far as supporting the system that protects and nurtures us. We can **** can our leaders in an instant if they go sour.
Is is suggested the Pledge of Allegiance is inimical to G*d and spirituality but I don't think that is heretical either. It is like saluting your commanding officer even if he is the walking crud. You salute the rank and not the person..
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Post by subsidinginsanity on Sept 28, 2012 15:09:24 GMT
I tend to think that it is possible to love the country, but not the government. If we take the early American revolutionaries as an example we see that they loved their country, but not the British government.
At times I feel as though another American revolution would do this country good. The trouble is too many have the wrong idea about it. I go to certain websites and find that those who talk about revolution think that we can actually oppose our own military.
I feel like reminding them that we have the most powerful military in the world, and any kind of violent resistance is futile. In our case I think that nonviolent resistance al la Gandhi and King would be more realistic and effective.
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Post by soul33 on Sept 28, 2012 21:10:22 GMT
if u have the stongest armi why so many soldier died in your goverment wars . we in israel used to have strong united armi but the goverment ruin it using corpted oficers .
i think most american not aware enough for the damag us goverment couse lots of part of the world.
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Ishtahota
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Post by Ishtahota on Sept 29, 2012 2:21:45 GMT
I have talked with a lot of people in the military. They do not like what they are seeing. My elders support the warriors, but not the wars and so do I. Things are a changing.
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Post by subsidinginsanity on Sept 29, 2012 4:15:20 GMT
Ishtahota, my sentiments exactly. I hope things change for the better.
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Post by gruntal on Sept 30, 2012 0:34:59 GMT
Actually a violent revolution would be the easiest way out. How many soldiers would stay put when each and every one heard their homes and family were being threatened? There is and always has been no shortage of guns and ammo in the populace so that in itself must be totally irrelevant or it would have happened years ago.
There are and will always be para-military units here; in the 1960's the Black Panther Party apparently thought if all Black People were armed and resisted it would ensure their civil rights. In years past the KKK and the Black populace were about equally armed but no war ensued. None of these "fringe" groups had any lasting power but those abused had yet to realize their worth as equal human beings until another time.
I stubbornly think our stasis is not an Illuminati plot; the industrial-military complex is not holding us hostage; we hardly could be said to have sold ourselves to the god of Baal when we had to make a living to survive. Some of the worst apathy I see is actually the most encouraging. The system had failed us and now we have only ourselves to look for redemption.
Like the class room where teacher failed to show up: you can only throw so many spit wads before you need to stop and think about growing up. Poor Lucifer. Poor scape goat. We will miss him.
We came out of the cave wielding clubs and throwing stones. Now are we all born to be victims?
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