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Post by clara927 on Aug 21, 2012 22:48:20 GMT
Hello Everyone,
In the chat room earlier today we were discussing the circus and animal cruelty and then it briefly turned into a discussion about vegetarianism. I realized that I like discussion but debates make me feel uncomfortable. I also felt like a hypocrite even though I technically am a vegetarian I didn't feel like one. Ifelt like the levels of hypocrisy run so deep? How can I call myself one when I've eaten "beef flavored noodles or rice that was underneath chicken? What about shoes that I have hat are made from leather? What about the ants that I occasionally kill in my house? What are their lives worth? I guess every person counts but sometimes I wonder how much of the label "vegetarian" is about ego. I don't think the answer is to just say "to hell with it" and eat meat, at least for me. I just find it very very difficult for me to judge them without feeling a hypocrite, knowing how deep this all goes and what it means for the relationship between animals and humans.
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Post by gruntal on Aug 22, 2012 0:32:14 GMT
I did spend a few years working in the tropical fish industry. After awhile I grew to hate it: the people I worked for; my co-workers; even the customers seemed gross. The poor fishies - especially the marine salt water fish - were caught in the middle. It was common inside knowlege fish imported from the South Pacific never lasted much long enough except to be sold to some sucker.
The pet industry; even animal rescue; even vetenarian services can become nothing more then chores after awhile that depend on desensitivity. Mayby that is true of everything: when you can't stand it an exit seems approbo. Just remember humans are still animals with the same vulnerabilities. The only difference is we can agonise. Our taste buds, digestive tracts, need for clothes and shoes does not change.
It is suggested animals were created to teach us higher beings compassion. I have my doubts if it is that simple but if that was the case it is working magnificantly!
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Post by subsidinginsanity on Aug 22, 2012 4:22:26 GMT
We live in a world where every living thing must kill in order to survive. Even plants are self aware! www.examiner.com/article/scientist-suggests-that-plant-is-self-awarewww.viewzone.com/plants.htmlBloody murder is the name of the game. Some accept it as a "beautiful circle of life." Personally, I see the death of the body as liberation. My one hope is that I never return here. Perhaps a partial solution to the problem is to become a Breatharian. www.angelfire.com/stars3/breathe_light/breatharianism.htmlThen at least the carnage will be limited to the microscopic level. Edit: I should probably add that in my opinion guilt should never be the motivation behind an action. This world will heap guilt on every last person if we let it. Whatever you do do it with love and you can't go wrong. |
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Post by wayne on Aug 25, 2012 0:23:51 GMT
What we should do is concentrate on ourselves and not on other's. Let them do as they please, one day they will find their way in life.
As for vegetarians I am one of them. But I keep that to myself as I know others cannot and will not ever attempt to see my reasons - or the purpose behind it.
As for guilt, this can pull one down into destruction if allowed by the mind. Instead, know that a mistake was done and do not repeat it, ever.
On a last note; things are very simple, commonsense prevails. Yet some always try to give things in big difficult ways. I'm talking about spiritual matters on how to achieve greater awareness, further onself along the path towards God, etc. etc. If people would listen to their conscience (which is the voice of God) then they would greatly benefit.
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Post by clara927 on Aug 28, 2012 3:34:58 GMT
I can;t call myself vegetarian anymore because I'm gorging on meat right now. I keep doing this when I feel bad inside. I keep hearing "if you make a mistake, just don't do it again", but I keep doing it. Im not in a good place now, I'm sorry but I feel the strong need to tell someone and people around me either don't completely understand me, or they make a point of making me feel worse. I have no where else to go and I don't want to start screaming and going crazy when I walk outside. Maybe Im weak, but I'm tired of being punished. I feel like every time I eat meat I become less worthy.
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Post by subsidinginsanity on Aug 28, 2012 4:27:09 GMT
clara927, ridding ourselves of guilt and negativity is fundamental in our spiritual journey. Without that we never get anywhere. There is an ACIM speaker by the name of Gary Renard who does a pretty good job of explaining the concepts is a humorous sort of way. I only wish I had ACIM when I was your age. Anyway, here's a link to one of his workshops. I hope it helps. I feel like every time I eat meat I become less worthy. Be well and at peace. |
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Post by clara927 on Aug 28, 2012 23:28:33 GMT
Thank you Subsiding. I deeply appreciate your words.
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Post by subsidinginsanity on Aug 28, 2012 23:55:12 GMT
Anytime you need to talk let me know.
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