Is it ok to be mad at GOD?

[cyberangel]

Dear Friends,

I don’t think I have ever been mad at god as I have always understood that things happen for a reason, but I certainly do question him.

I know someone very close to me who is so mad at God, that they say they don’t believe in God anymore! They said a true loving God does not exist and we are just fooling ourselves. I can totally understand where their pain and anger comes from and if I was in their shoes I might feel the exact same. I am not judging them either as I feel they have a right to be angry, but I do feel it is misplaced and I pray that God can also see this.

The sad thing about all this is that this person is such a good person and has never hurt a soul in their lives and loves animals too. I feel they are better venting their anger out on God even if it is misplaced rather than on themselves or others. What do you think?

I feel sad for them as I know deep down that they are so angry and hurt that they are just saying it. I feel they are trying to punish God by disbelieving. But this has brought up the above question. I know he can and does forgive and I’m sure if I can see through their pain, he can too.

[tinamarie]

Hello Cyberangel ... I did not know God at all until about five years ago, and my relationship with him actually began with anger and in fact, hatred of the whole "God" idea. Since then though, my relationship with God has seen many changes, and I am slowly learning to trust him. This is not saying that I still do not have days where I scream at him. I believe God wants a relationship with each of us, and he accepts every part of us, even our anger.

Whether your friend likes it or not, they have started a relationship with God. How their relationship grows, is something between your friend and God.

Peace
Tina-M.

[sparklekaz]

Dear Lorraine,

I do feel for your friend, they must be in terrible pain at the moment. Of course they still believe in God, for you can't be angry at something you don't believe exists can you! Many people lash out and get angry with God, especially when they are grieving or in emotional pain. They feel that God has let them down.

I do not believe God minds, he sees what is in people's hearts and if they need someone to blame or rail at, then I am sure he would rather it be him, then someone else who is close to them. Because we do, do that don't we, lash out at our nearest and dearest. When we are hurting, we hurt those closest to us, because we know deep down that they will forgive us.

Your friend needs to go through this, all you can do is be there for them. Don't try to reason with them, just be loving and supportive. When the anger is spent and the tears come, be there to hold them. God will be there holding them always, it doesn't matter what we think about God, I believe he will always love us. Especially when we are suffering, as your friend clearly is. Bless their hearts.

Love and light
Kaz

[aceofcups]

I don’t see God as a being who is judging us. To me God is Universal Consciousness, Unity, Wisdom and Compassion. To me things are not just random, we live in an Ordered Universe. Just because my lower personality and ego doesn’t understand all the order and laws which govern the process – and can be stuck in it’s lower manifestations – doesn’t change things to me. Just my opinion but I don’t intuit that the consciousness which is of the Universal Godhead cares if we are mad or not at IT. It is only our ego which gets mad when we don’t get what we feel we should. It could be personal desires not fulfilled and also larger social conditions in the world etc. Compassion is part of God... But how it manifests depends on many laws and conditions. Although understandable, to me being mad at god , just increases our suffering and does not help in the long run to release it or helps us to grow. But may be necessary psychological step for some people. And us being as loving and supportive to those who are suffering i think does help us all. Sometimes learning to listen and being loving ourselves can help lift the veil of suffering from another.

Peace,
Charlie

[markings]

There was a time where I was angry with God. Then I realized that it is quite pointless and I was just wasting energy and upsetting other people.
What kind of God would it be who gets upset about me being angry with Him? That would be a very small god. In my mind the big God would just look at me and say "I understand" and leave me with the choice of going on with my anger or drop it.

[bluestarman1]

Hey Lorraine,

Being angry at God is just as easy as being happy with the Big Guy. My father died when I was very young. I prayed to God not to take my Dad and I was totally convinced that God would hear my prayer. It was days before I would even accept the fact that my father had actually passed away. I was angry and bitter. I remember clinching my 11-year-old fist and screaming heavenward, cursing God. I spent many years afterwards lost in self-destructive behavior.

As a young man I fortunately met a very wise teacher. One day I said to him "Rabbi, is there any hope for me. I have cursed God." I can still see him looking over his glasses at me and saying, "Children curse their parents all the time in anger. Does this mean that parents ever stop loving their chidren? How can God do any less?"

With these simply words I realized that my inner hurt or anger could never be larger than the love and forgiveness that is always there for me. Hopefully your friend will find the same comfort.

[cyberangel]

Dear Friends,

Thank you all so much for taking the time to share your thoughts and personal memories. Very heartfelt and touching along with great advice as always. I truly feel blessed by such genuine kindness. Love & Light to each and everyone

[jesusrose]

I used to be mad at God when I was much younger for losing my father at such a young age. Since then, my spiritual views have changed so much that I don't see God as a supreme decision maker separate from my self. I now feel that God is the energy of love that unites us all and that we are all contributors to our life and that of others around us.

It is most helpful if we think about what we will do with the situation we are in, love others to receive love etc.

[rt369]

Well I can't speak for the big guy, but just remember everything you do or say is recorded for all time in the celestial and the cosmic conciousness.

Every blade of grass, every bird, bush and tree from the largest mountain to the smallest pebble to each and every tiny drop of water is there for all to see, or for all who can to see.

Most of your verbal offenses will be checked off as trivial slips but some transgressions can't be easily or simply forgiven.

It's all cause and effect and in the see-saw balance of the scales, what did you cause, what was the effect? What state of mentality are you in, what is your spiritual make up?

Most of it will work out in the long term but in the end everybody doesn't go out the same door to the same happy place, as is the rumor?

At the end of your days some of you will need to go out the door begging.

[shaw-09]

I always saw god as my best buddy... and each time I fell off the grid (getting mad & angry with him).... I only can imagine him laughing at me cause I feel into his trap... but right after tht is the most JOYFUL part.. where he giggles, walks towards me and give me hand out of his trap ... jus to ask me... now u know wat I meant??? and walks me back on to my grid...

[themaster]

Being mad at god is called "atheism"

And ultimately when you’re mad at god.. your only mad at yourself.. since were all one

I would also pull out a jim self quote "you can never not be okay!"

[subsidinginsanity]

I believe that we create our reality with our mind, so being mad at God for what is happening in our lives makes no sense. When we master the mind we master our reality. Only then can suffering cease.

[subsidinginsanity]

Another way to look at it is that the world is not being done to you it is being done by you.

[sparklekaz]

Dear Subsiding,

I couldn't agree more. Well said!

Life for me is a journey of self discovery and self responsibility. I believe this is what God wants for us. To think and reason and to discover. Why else would have given us such wonderful brains and the ability to stretch and constantly grow beyond what we are. Like any father, I am sure he worries about us, but has every faith in our ability to 'get there' in the end.

We create our own suffering, because we refuse to see the reality of a situation. We constantly blame others for our own shortcomings and keep making the same mistakes until we start to think differently and really 'see'.

Love and light
Kaz

[subsidinginsanity]

Indeed, most people like to be a victim as if there was some power in that. The truth is we are not at effect but we are at cause. It's just difficult for the untrained mind to understand that.

[cyberangel]

Subsidinginsanity, I understand what you are saying but sometimes life is not as simple as that.

Please don’t judge people as being victims of their own doing as that is NOT always the case and it certainly was not the case in the above post.

Horrible and tragic things happen to some really good people for no apparent reason, and certainly not by their own doing.

People can’t go through life having an attitude that bad things happen so stop being a victim and get over it as that is not fair and is rather a harsh judgement especially when they do not know all the facts!

I know God has a more compassionate response to someone who is grieving and is hurting and is angry because they can’t understand why such a horrific thing happened, that affected them so profoundly that in a split second changed their life forever and caused them to lose their way, but like Karen said GOD “has every faith in our ability to 'get there' in the end.”

I would never turn my back on my child because of anger, even if it was misplaced, and I’m sure, in fact I’m positive, that GOD would never turn away anyone that was angry because they were in so much pain.

And I disagree with you in your statement that “Most people like to be a victim as if there was some power in that” a victim has NO power. I don’t think anyone with any common sense likes to think of themselves as a victim.

I would like to think of God sat there (with the person mentioned above) with his arms wrapped around them, holding and wiping away their tears....not telling them to stop playing the victim.

I wish you luck on your path to enlightenment and mastering your version of reality.

[subsidinginsanity]

cyberangel, I was not very complete in my post, so I understand why you perceived it that way. Love and support are major factors in the healing process. I don't take lightly the tragedies that can befall people here. I've had my share of them.

If we go by appearances then the world is full of victims. Everybody has fallen prey to another's evil intentions at one point or another. I would suggest that such events can never really be forgiven and released until we understand that we make our own reality.

I never trample another's feeling's when tragedy strikes. I would never go to a funeral and hit people over the head with my beliefs, but at some point even those who have suffered the worst sorts of things can begin to change their view of it.

Here on earth we perceive less than 1% of what's really going on. Not even the tip of the iceberg. Personally, I believe that we all choose our lives to learn specific things, and what appears to happen to us really comes from us. That's a tough nut to swallow and many people never do in the lifetime they're in.

Anyway, I speak only from my own experience. I've found these beliefs to be beneficial in my life. You are of course free to disagree with them and are welcome to your own beliefs. It seems most of us try to figure this crazy life out as we go along. I know I do. It makes me wonder sometimes why if there is a God he/she/it doesn't make itself known to us in a personal and irrefutable way.

On the one hand God is supposed to be all powerful, and loving, and all of that. On the other hand it often seems as though God has abandoned us. When I meet God one day I intend to ask him about a great number of things. I hope this helps to clarify a bit what I really mean. Much love and light.

[sparklekaz]

Dear Lorraine and Subsiding,

I believe subsiding has explained the reasons for his thoughts very well. Probably the only flaw I saw earlier, when looking back is that it seemed a sweeping and generalizing assessment of the human condition. Which is impossible to do, as all situations, circumstances and experiences are different.

I hope you did not feel that I was saying that your friend deserved what had happened to them Lorraine, as that was not my intention either. When these posts evolve, they do tend to move away from the original thread. Though you shared your friends experience, you were also asking a general question, is it ok to be angry with God. That is bound to evoke different responses, because we will all hear the question and respond to it in different ways. Depending on where our thoughts are coming from. So please do not take anything personally.

Subsiding makes a valid point about how even in the most dire circumstances of life, it is believed by some that we have willingly agreed to and been part of the decision to have this experience as being an important part of our growth. As painful though loss, grief and other experiences are, they do provide us with the maximum opportunities to grow.

Obviously, this view is part of our belief system and I accept that it might not be for others. But there is no intention to offend. Simply expressing a point of view. I too myself have had many very painful experiences. I could have easily have blamed God. But I didn't, and decided to use the who experience as a spring board to understand life and myself in many ways and to grow spiritually. I could have wallowed in my misery. I probably did for a little while. But I felt that was not what I wanted to always associate my loss with. I wanted something positive to come out of it. Which happened. I feel it definitely helped my healing process. But that was my choice and everyone is different.

We can look at these questions from a day to day practical view, from a emotional view, from a learning view, from a philosophical view. Taken in this context the responses can be incredibly varied.

You started off a great post Lorraine, has made us all think. So thank you for that.

Love and light
Kaz

[cyberangel]

Dear Subsidinginsanity,

Thank you sincerely for replying and yes while I do accept your understanding of reality I do not essentially agree with all of it. I honestly don’t see “If we go by appearances then the world is full of victims”. That statement to ‘me’ is a negative view of humanity and I think humanity deserves far more credit than being victims of circumstances, I prefer to view humanity as a surviving, spiritual and evolving race of beings. Yes, to some degree we do make our own reality and must take responsibility for that, but to generalise “most people” as victims disturbed me greatly. But again I thank you for endeavouring to clarify and I DO appreciate it and the place from where it came from.

Much love and light to you also friend


Dear Karen,

I most certainly did not feel in anyway shape or form that you were making a judgement on my friend or that you felt that they deserved what happened. If I did feel that I would reply to you personally as I did with Subsidinginsanity. I also completely agree with you that I did ask a general question and I felt subsidinginsanity answered that question on his first post and continued onto the second post to which I agree. However, it was his third post that rattled my cage so to speak, I felt his statement about and I quote “most people like to be a victim as if there was some power in that” had absolutely no relevance to the above question and this came across to me as someone judging all or “most” of humanity.

I felt I honestly and openly responded and remained truthful to myself and my beliefs in doing so. I could have sat back and stewed about it but I decided to express my opinion also which I feel is as valid as the next. I also do not want to come across as patronising or someone who thinks that they know it all, as I most certainly don’t. But what I am sure of is, speaking as part of this human race, I would not like to be labelled a victim.

Having read Subsidinginsanity's reply I do not think it was his intention to hurt nor is it mine.

Thank you both and in fact to all who answered and who will no doubt continue to answer the question: Is it ok to be mad at GOD?

Love and Light always friends

[subsidinginsanity]

cyberangel, actually, my point was we are not all victims even though many think they are ... at least on occasion. I mentioned "appearances" only in the context of appearancs can be decieving. I too prefer to see people as Spirit. Perhaps we agree on more than we think

[cyberangel]

Dear Subsidinginsanity,

I think you may actually be right

Love and Light