KARMA PART 2 0F 12

[jessiethecorgi]

This is quote two from Ramesh-likes-Buddha who is a wonderful new member" “Karma includes beliefs and superstitions.” This is very prevelant in members of racist organizations who are as i say "lost in their own bullnuts" They start to believe all the sterotypes and ill views they have of their victims. They have a group psychosis of the White race being rapidly bred out of existence when in fact inter-racial marriages are actually not all that common. I don't feel sorry for them and i may get some bad karma from this. So anyway, it seems if you bare false witness the lie becomes a part of you.

As basic Buddhist philosophy states "every one is delusional except for the Buddha," it appears we all have some aspects of this and it does effect us. So i would be interested in any additional information as well as what to do about this. Not the racists; no use feeding the fodder. But what to do about our enlightenment.

[markings]

IMO buddhist philosophy states the "everyone is enlightened but only when one becomes a Buddha can one give full expression to it."
Fortunately everyone can become a Buddha provided one puts the right effort into it.
To get engaged in rants "against" is the wrong effort.

[jessiethecorgi]

i honor your point markings and see that my effort would be more profitable being virtuous. However i was making a point or actually a warning about ones fate if they bare false witness as part of their lifestyle. i am also interested in other phenomena of cause and effect in relationt to ramesh_likes_buddha's quote.

[markings]

Karma includes everything, belief, culture, social mores, etc.
Superstition is a pejorative term. For me it has the connotation of holding on to something despite having no evidence or there being evidence to the contrary.

Delusion, misconception, irrational belief, yes, superstition no. From a scientific point of view the idea of karma is in itself a superstition and irrational. I don't think s/he should have used it.

[jerboa]

I believe that science would be capable of explaining karma. There has been much work done in psychology, but even still the understanding of such takes a particular mind to make sense of how it works with relation to them selves.

An understanding I came to on this, with help, was elaborate, and merely visual though I'll try put it into words.

Everything I am, is a result of what I do, everything I understand is a result of what I learned from those. Thus every cognitive process is subject to my past attitude, emotion and acts.

Those lessons are how I try to understand and see the rest of the world. Things get picked up from environment, more then the self, and karma in such a way is gained, from people and events. Others are a result of self (when time is spent alone and in thought, meditation), but in both the self and the world always operate. Which is why I find doing the right thing not only productive, but important for plants, animals or humans spiritual growth. Its a shame that science claims not to understand, I believe that is human error in karma from a language/translation gap.

It seems that doing a wrong act, cuts off a part of a persons growth which can escalate or devolve should the person reach a level of self awareness to be able to redirect experiences. But as anyone can tell a person, knowing the unknown is almost impossible. Knowing someone else and reflecting positively makes such transitions easier. But not everyone wants to listen, or can listen, all the time. And not everyone has the right thing to say to a person.

The virtuous life is giving help when asked for, but not allowing harmful deeds to go on without some form of lesson to the contray. Both people involved can gain, and learn from the act of doing so.

Such a life I aim for, but still have many roads to travel and never will I reach an end it seems. Though I feel that perfection in karma would leave me unable to recognise others, and their differences, such a thing would leave me imperfect.