When you die...

[Jonas]

What happens? What is your strongest belief?

I know it's not easy to talk about. I have hardly ever talked about it to anyone.. I have never really had anyone to talk to. But my view of Death is what has changed the most and what I have mostly been thinking about this last year or so.

Before, Death could mean anything to me, I had no reason to believe anything for my self. My fear was of course annihilation.
But after a long time spent alone thinking, reading and listening, my views on life and death and all in between has dramatically changed. It a positive change to say the least..

I will try to explain some of what I now think about Death.

We are eternal consciousness, playing a experience game of life.
My "physical body" is not something my consciousness is "in". It is not something that my consciousness "leaves" upon death. My physical body is inside my consciousness.

Death is an expansion of consciousness beyond the boundary of the definitions of yourself as a physical being. Death accelerates my vibration to another level. Non-physical. Unmanifested.
Where EVERYTHING is possible. Reincarnation is absolutely a reality, but you can always choose. You always have choice.


I really honestly deep within me believe it to actually be this positive. It is for me not just "wishful thinking".
Now I look forward to Death with a smile on my face. Happy.

[sparklekaz]

Dear Jonas,

Death is one of those subjects, which everyone thinks about at some time in their lives, but as you have said, seem reluctant to talk about. It is a fact of life, we are born, we live our lives and then we die. An inescapable fact.

I think it is also one of those things, that people feel if they talk about it, it might happen. A kind of inbuilt superstition. There is also the fact I think that it is a almost taboo subject. In the sense that it is considered to be in bad taste to discuss it. Because it makes people feel so uncomfortable, it is avoided. Because of this, I believe, people especially here in the western world simply do not know how to handle the subject of death or are good at dealing with it, when it happens and are often at a loss to know what to say to people who have been bereaved.

Belief in a afterlife or heaven, is definitely reassuring and comforting to those who have it. But for the people who do not, thoughts about death, can be very frightening. It is that feeling that once death comes we cease to exist and there is nothing. I don't think this is due to a ego or an inflated sense of self importance. But a real sense of not being able to imagine, we are no longer here anymore, in some form.

The eastern philosophy of Buddhism and my own belief in the afterlife through personal experience has helped to alleviate my fears enormously. I believe we are spiritual beings inhabiting a physical body. That body, simply being the vehicle we use to experience human life. Through this medium, we learn about love, compassion and truth, both earthly and spiritual. It takes time to grow and mature. I do not believe one life time is enough for this, and so I like you believe in rebirth/reincarnation.

A book that has really been meaningful to me is The Tibetan Book Of Living and Dying, by Sogyal Rinpoche. In the book he gives a comprehensive presentation of the teachings of Tibetan Buddhism, exploring: the message of impermanence; evolution, karma and rebirth; the nature of mind and how to train the mind through meditation; how to follow a spiritual path in this day and age; the practice of compassion; how to care for and show love to the dying, and spiritual practices for the moment of death. The following is a small extract from the book, that really struck a chord with me. I felt it was very pertinent, in light of the way we are using up the worlds resources. With no thought of tomorrow.

"I have come to realize that the disastrous effects of the denial of death go far beyond the individual:"

"They effect the whole planet. Believing fundamentally that this life is the only one, modern people have developed no long-term vision. So there is nothing to restrain them from plundering the planet for their own immediate ends and from living in a selfish way that could prove fatal for the future."

What struck me with this book, is that its real focus is about how to live life; lovingly, mindfully and completely in the present. How death is but a natural process, a transformation from one phase of our spiritual journey to the next. Indeed in many ways, death is only the beginning.

Love and light
Kaz

[Jonas]

I am so happy right now! This is unbelievable to me! I think i now just realized what a genius thing the internet is.. I don't even know a thing about you and yet you are willing and able to make tears in my eyes, with your own beautiful take on life and death. I thank you so much for sharing with me.

I will definitively check that book out. I have heard about it many times.
I do not read very well, I have read few books, but I try and enjoy it. I have read Eckhart Tolle's books. Helped me so much. I also want to recommend Bashar (Darryl Anka), someone who have been a huge support to listen to. I think also he has a few books.

There are many other things I would absolutely love to discuss with you kind people. I type so slowly on the computer and I get tired of the screen, so I ask patience.. But so far I have very much enjoyed this web site and I thank you all.

[Leon]

I believe very similar Jonas. Everything that lives vibrates. A rock will vibrate slower than a human or a plant, but the rock still vibrates. This has been proven by science, it is not a foolhardy thought.

Now is it so hard to believe that the spirit world vibrates at a different level to us. The finer something is usually the higher the frequency of vibration. Here is an example if we have two bamboo shoots one 5ft high and one 10ft high, now if the wind blows against the bamboo shoots, they will both move differently. They will vibrate at different frequencies. One will shake more than the other. The taller will usually rock backwards and forwards more than the shorter.

So if a rock vibrates very slowly, and us humans a little faster, then the spirit world being the least dense will vibrate even faster.

The spirit world is just like this world, yet more beautiful. Imagine a world where the sun shines all day, where everything is calm and placid. That is the world that we will visit next.

The problem with western society is that people shun the talk of death, it is a taboo subject. Most talk on death involves talk of ghosts, ghouls and zombies. No wonder people are scared of the thought of it. Not many talk about it in the beautiful way, they do not speak the truth, they speak their fears.

I know which world I prefer to keep in my mind, do you?

[gruntal]

I feel like I have experienced rather too much of death lately. Not because of bad circumstances or an on rush of trageties. I just don't get along with animals that well and yet I try to be as responsible as possible. Because of that I find myself being caregiver and witnessing things I am not suitable to handle.

Being of European ancestry and living in one of the more aggressive colonies gives me a culture of effort and success that surely clashes with the predominate Mexican attitude of futility and acceptance. And yet that is where I love to be.

Plus I live in a quiet peacefull retirement community restricted to persons 55 years and older. A lot of my neighbors that lived here when I first moved in eight years have died! Me next?!

I am often visited and reminded of my Rosicrucian teachings which I never much understood in the past and don't much like now. And yet they remain disturbingly accurate and comforting only reaffirming the enigma of existance. "You can manifest by intense concentration and then letting go". People plan and scheme to live well and get the axe early on when they least expected it. People say they don't care because life is so uncertain and wind up out lasting everybody with nothing to show for 90 years of indifference.

Perhaps the new Rosicrucian motto should be: "try and die". It sounds catchy and just might work. I can only hope I die for some very good reason. In the end nothing will matter except how well I acted on my beliefs. And that is nothing you can dwell on; you only live it one step at a time.

[jennylynn]

I believe that death is just the next step in our eternal existance. Think of it not as an ending, but as a new beginning.

I read something the other day that I believe could be a mantra for us all:

"Someday, you will be someone's memory......make sure that it is a good one"

love and llight

jennylynn