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Post by mojomojo on Mar 9, 2015 10:39:52 GMT
It's quite hard to even consider the enormity of that which lies before us, given that the journey extends for many, many lifetimes, and the added confusion of not even been aware of our progress, further amplified by the impersonality of it all.
If that which we do not need to carry us forward is lost at every death, what is this spirit that is left, is it the return to nothing, from which all comes. If we are to learn to co-create, does that mean returning to the collective, where as separate entities we cease to exist, but become more creative in number. So in death the personality dies, and in the collective the entity is surrendered.
once in the collective and the power to co-create has been realised, does that not imply a collective personality of sorts. In order to create there must be desire, a collective consciousness is surely alive and more powerful, but having been stripped of all personality where does the will to create emanate.
And what causes the desire that draws us so strongly to this path given the continuum?
Robert.
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Post by aceofcups on Mar 9, 2015 11:27:57 GMT
Hi Robert,
in my understanding the seeds of a life do go into our Soul Consciousness. Personality separateness is not the same as Soul Individuality. The true will to create does come from the soul or individuality of a person.
The Soul is the True Individuality but at same time not separate from the Whole. The collective groups of the atavastic past and group consciousness we are slowly evolving into ... groups of awakened souls consciously aligned to the higher self and higher will ... are not the same energy framework of a group process or collective,
Till that true higher group process does manifest on earth may be eons forward in evolution.
The Divine Plan in which spiritual evolution on all levels of consciousness, is part of the plan, is what draws us forward I guess.
peace aceofcups
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Post by Bartholomew on Mar 9, 2015 11:35:29 GMT
Although the personality has stepped aside the soul, the real "us" carries on after physical death. Every single memory, all the lessons learned, go to the soul where they are added to that repository which already exists on the plane of souls. No effort of any life is ever lost.
The passing of the personality does not mean a return to the collective. We are individuals here on Earth. We are also individuals as souls. The collective lives are those very highly evolved souls who are beyond any need to incarnate. It is true that the higher we evolve the more we act as groups of souls instead of individually but no need to think about that now. "Collective consciousness" is a very arcane, esoteric subject which requires much study even to begin to understand. It in no way relates to a common definition of the term.
The setting aside of the Earthly personality does not restrict. It enables. Your personality stays behind but your consciousness does not die. It becomes higher and better. And it remembers the Earthly personality. Nothing is lost. It is true that Earthly personalities create. The real work is done in the higher planes though. Behind every act of creation is a will to act. The higher the plane the more powerful is the will. There are personalities in these high places but we might not recognize them. For instance the personality of the soul does not share the Earthly attributes of competitiveness. A soul personality cares nothing about besting another. A soul personality cares nothing about being in charge of anything. A soul personality never hurts others, even by accident. This is because the aspect of duality is very greatly lessened. You could say that personalities are cleansed and the higher we look the more perfected they seem to be. Creating runs parallel to this. The higher and more perfected a personality is the more powerful a creator it is.
The cause of it all is the great Will of God. We share in this. It is the source. We are all a part of it.
Set aside your concerns about what happens when we leave the Earth. Things only get better.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:05:41 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 9, 2015 13:05:41 GMT
Thank you for your replies gentlemen, It was very insightful, I feel there is too much information in my head of late, Causing the mind to run riot, I may take some time out, from books and such, And go back to basic's for a while, It was so much simpler and easier when I started out and knew less.
Again, many thanks, Robert.
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Post by cyberangel on Mar 9, 2015 14:52:13 GMT
Dear robert What a wonderful post and marvellous questions It is so interesting to observe the thought process of an awakened mind Both Ace and Bartholomew have given wonderful indepth answers. My understanding and responce you may find very simplistic but none the less valid ...when I was shown my soul in front of me, I (my mind) was mesmerised by its purity and beauty. When my 'soul' entered my body and connected I felt it's seperate intelligence...a higher level of consciousness completely and wholly seperate to what my mind was able to comprehend. Yet I was able to function with two seperate intellects inside, we have our own cognitive intelligence of the mind, which holds our personality, ego etc, but then the soul intelligence is seperate again, this is the part that connects us to the different spiritual realms...and guides us to the oneness if we so wish and are ready. Our souls travel all the time within these realms, either through meditation or through our dreams. While our mind continues to function as normal the soul can explore and roam and check in with its soul group. Now if we desire we (our minds) can not so much travel but can merge with the soul, and can receive all we are able to understand and even things we may not understand. Usually the soul will only allow so much as not to damage or overload our fragile minds, but sometimes we can become overloaded and off balance. The soul does have a personality (a specific vibration) of sorts but not anything like our human personality. Meaning that each soul is recognised by its own soul group by its vibrations. A lifetime to us seems such a long time but it is a mere fragment to the soul, a lesson of many, if you wish to think of it that way. All creation and creativity comes from the supreme creator, God/ source and passed on to the soul which filters to us. We are just an expression of a far far bigger picture. And when our human dies so too does its mind, but not its consciousness. The consciousness travels back with the soul and reconnects with all consciousness of it's soul group. Nothing is lost or no life is wasted. This is just my understanding and interpretation of course Love and Light
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Mar 9, 2015 20:08:59 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 9, 2015 20:08:59 GMT
Hi Lorraine, Thank you for your insightful reply, I trust all is well in the Emerald Isle,
Many thanks, Robert.
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Mar 28, 2015 13:41:10 GMT
Post by Barry on Mar 28, 2015 13:41:10 GMT
I offer you all a challenge
It seems to me that this forum is about people seeking answers to very deep questions and as always there is a great deal of intellectualizing and deep thinking
Let me ask you this. What is an awakened mind.
Instead of giving you the answer, I will let you discover it for your self by taking up my challenge and here is my challenge to you all
After you have read this post, find a quite place and a quite moment in the day and sit down and just be quite, try not to think about anything at all, let the silence that you experience teach you what an awakened mind really is
Do you have the courage to stop thinking and delve into the place that most people fear and that place is the silence that most of us will not allow ourselves to enter
All the answers you seek lay in the silence you fear to enter, true intelligence is not in the brain, its in the vast expanse of space that lives inside, you but only the brave may enter
Good luck
Barry
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Post by mojomojo on Mar 28, 2015 15:13:55 GMT
Hi Barry, I have read some of your posts, And you seem to be an advocate of silent /meditation. While I agree with you, and I 'am also a strong participant in meditation, both mindful and other. I think I can safely say that others here have many years experience in meditation/silence, and have faced their inner demons. Though there is great benefit from silence, there are other ways of receiving insights, these can come from books, from word of mouth, even prayer if done in a meditative manner, and nature itself. If we did not use our intellectualised minds, and post topics, questions and answers, there wouldn't be a forum. Debate and intellect come from the mind, but that does not mean, the mind is not transcended in times of meditation, or living in the now.
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Post by baangus on Mar 30, 2015 12:21:40 GMT
If we did not use our intellectualised minds, and post topics, questions and answers, there wouldn't be a forum. Debate and intellect come from the mind, but that does not mean, the mind is not transcended in times of meditation, or living in the now. Hi mojomojo. As I read Barry's post, the thought that jumps out at me is that there is no one truth or answer anyone can share regarding your questions. The answers are specific to you and your soul journey. For me, spiritual investigation is all about turning such questions inside out and around. For example, you ask about "soul collective" and souls "desiring." I don't see these as questions that can be answered, I see all this as you simply verbalizing your truth. How and why you have come to these truths, IS the spiritual exploration. Yes, we can be helped to answer questions about ourselves and our truths via socializing and intellectual sharing, nothing wrong with that. But ultimately, it is a personal process involving inner exploration as Barry pointed out.
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Mar 30, 2015 13:15:15 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 30, 2015 13:15:15 GMT
Hi Baangus, I agree with you one hundred per cent, every soul's journey is unique, and every one's truth is their own, and for the large part, we travel alone. Spiritual truths do rise from silence, but insights can also rise from something someone says, a passage in a book, We get synchronicities from nature and everyday life, I would view these as signs that we are moving toward our truth, Therefore I consider these insights, spiritual truths for where we are at that particular stage of our journey. For me, I would not restrict myself to one, but accept, my truth, from the many various ways spirit expresses itself. You state, "there is no-one truth or answer any one can share regarding your questions." Yet four people replied to the post and did just that. You state, "it is you simply verbalising your truth." What are you doing, when you speak. Who would I be, if I verbalised someone else's truth.
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Mar 30, 2015 13:33:34 GMT
Post by baangus on Mar 30, 2015 13:33:34 GMT
Therefore I consider these insights, spiritual truths for where we are at that particular stage of our journey. For me, I would not restrict myself to one, but accept, my truth, from the many various ways spirit expresses itself. If everything is spirit, then every interaction with others is spiritual and spiritually insightful, even chatting on an internet forum. I would agree 100%. My other point is that I don't look for spiritual answers in the form of external doctrine regarding the (supposed) Universe and how it (supposedly) operates. I look to understand myself, that's work enough. I don't consider the enormity of Creation for example, except maybe to marvel at the scope of it.
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Mar 30, 2015 13:53:14 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 30, 2015 13:53:14 GMT
Baangus, why are you telling me, what you don't do, I may be wrong, but have I not heard you talk of the study of Theosophy, in other posts, given your definition of inner truth, is that not external doctrine.
And is it not good to marvel at the scope of it.
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Mar 30, 2015 15:18:08 GMT
Post by baangus on Mar 30, 2015 15:18:08 GMT
Baangus, why are you telling me, what you don't do I am confirming what Barry said (as I read his response) in that questions regarding the makeup of spirit and how it functions, is intellectualizing. Such questions can't be answered by the human intellect, unless one is willing to settle for answers in the form of external doctrine. That is why I suggested such questions should be turned around and asked from a personal self-development perspective.
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Mar 30, 2015 15:42:45 GMT
Post by baangus on Mar 30, 2015 15:42:45 GMT
And is it not good to marvel at the scope of it. Marveling at the scope of the universe implies feeling good about all of it, I would say. So yes. I marvel at the scope of creation. But I don't wonder what it's all about, or how it came to be. I don't try and break it all down, categorize it, and figure out if God exists or how the supposed spiritual hierarchies all fit together and what not. I stand in creation and I see myself as an aspect of that creation. I ask myself each day what I need in order to be a productive soul-spirit being. I don't need need to ask any more than that; I don't need to know any more than that. Do you see the difference?
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Mar 30, 2015 16:20:17 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 30, 2015 16:20:17 GMT
If, you had a choice to make, and were undecided, and asked for guidance, And the answer came to you through synchronicity, Would you consider it external doctrine. Any spiritual truth, retained by the mind, and passed on, is external doctrine, so we have nothing to learn from anyone, because it is not our truth, even though it may resonate with us greatly.
From my own experience, a lot of my questions, asked internally, have received answers externally, Still comes from spirit. And again, stating what you don't do, is of no benefit to anyone.
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Mar 30, 2015 16:36:25 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 30, 2015 16:36:25 GMT
Yes, Baangus, I know exactly what it's like to be in the present moment, to be in a state of quiet mind, to be free of thought, But I have not mastered it to the extent where I'am there 24/7. Time is spent occupied by the mind, Do you see anything wrong with reading, studying or intellectualising about that which holds interest, every time you reply to a post, you are intellectualising. A painter might not only paint, he might also study the history of art.
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Mar 30, 2015 17:16:51 GMT
Post by baangus on Mar 30, 2015 17:16:51 GMT
And I don't see anything wrong with reading, studying or intellectualising about that which holds interest, A painter might not only paint, he might also study the history of art. Nothing wrong as I said, but at the same time it can absolutely clutter the mind. I personally have lived and worked with many people who were negatively affected by too much spiritual doctrine and intellectualism. That's why I tend to tell people to stop analyzing spirit and simply live it. As for your question: synchronicity is spirit in action, it is being one with spirit, it is experiential wisdom. No external doctrine required, I don't need to believe in any particular set of spiritual tenets in order to experience synchronicity in my life.
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Mar 30, 2015 17:32:14 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 30, 2015 17:32:14 GMT
Again , I agree, too much intellectualism, can cause much confusion, it's knowing when to stop and give it time to blend with experience, it is often from periods of confusion, breakthroughs can occur.
Synchronicity, spirit in action, I agree, I also see it as an eternal manifestation of a sign or truth, given to the receiver.
Really enjoyed our discussion today Baangus, what forums should be, even if it all came from intellect.
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Post by tribunalofmercy on Mar 30, 2015 18:51:29 GMT
Robert - I want to speak candidly, perhaps controversially, for a moment regarding the idea of a "collective". Here, we are a spiritual forum with intent to reach and move within the Higher Mind, striving to access Ancient Wisdom, you know? If we consider the word "collective" as it is being shared in various circles and groups globally it may have the same base meaning but Many variations both in interpretation and in Use... Ultimately, it's just not something we can Fully grasp at this moment because we have spent so Much evolutionary time recognizing and embracing our Individuality. And just hearing, reading or repeating the words "We are all One" really doesn't do it for us, does it? It's not really such a lonely path as we Imagine, and I know you are becoming aware of your guides around you now. As we spend more time in higher meditation, we are Going to lose the confusion and conflict within our lower minds as to who we Are as souls and not ego-personality; still it takes Time. The soul, even that individualized experience of "soul" within which we dwell at this time, is the Source of the creative, the intent (I call it), while the manifestation of all that, is currently within the personality and is Limited. Like Bartholomew said - we don't lose anything; when we finally release our earthly vessels we gain a freedom of expression that has been Held Back in this body. That which we have learned within the ego-personality is designed to Further the earth and its energy for the inhabitants that are here; we leave it behind us as memory, but the soul does not lose what it has learned because it is incorporated in a different Way. We pass On the gifts of our time here to be Used, hopefully (which is another reason it is So important to bring about positive thought and action as best we can). When it is time, and as it grows and develops, our understanding of what it means to be "part of the Whole" in a collective sense will be a Natural thing. Robert, there are those in the Universe who desire to speak to those of us who are receptive to spirit; they exist, and do not always Intend this new knowledge to Empower us. But you will Know the difference if you keep following your Inner knowing (not just that which 'feels good', but that which feels Right), your higher self, and remember Truth. Mary Anne
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Post by mojomojo on Mar 30, 2015 20:08:45 GMT
Hi Mary Anne, That was very insightful, While not comparing to soul groups or a collective as such, I do believe my wife and I to be soul mates, and the integration, we both have experienced in the last six months or so, truly has to be experienced. It's as if our souls have become in twinned, you can nearly feel it, our sense of connection has gone so much deeper.
For now, all I can say is, the sun will rise tomorrow, who knows what the tide may bring.
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Mar 31, 2015 12:28:25 GMT
Post by baangus on Mar 31, 2015 12:28:25 GMT
I do believe my wife and I to be soul mates, and the integration, we both have experienced in the last six months or so, truly has to be experienced. It's as if our souls have become in twinned, you can nearly feel it, our sense of connection has gone so much deeper. Hi mojomojo. The idea of soul mates is a popular topic on a lot of new age forums. It's an example of what I was hoping to point out earlier. We intellectualize ideas to the point were they become our doctrine and personal religion. You can see this with many people on other sites devoted to the discussion of soul mates and twin flames and such. People are desperately looking for meaning and connection in their lives, and so they create these spiritual beliefs that they hope will make them whole or their lives meaningful. That is a real danger of intellectual spiritualism. Looking at this from a broader, non-attached perspective: Jesus spoke of loving one's fellow human being. Not selective human beings, but all human beings. And I have read spiritual writings that speak of the evolutionary time when all human beings will feel physical pain when they encounter another human being in turmoil. This doesn't discount the possibility of soul mates and twin flames of course. But what it suggests to me is that we as souls have the inherent ability to fully and completely love anyone and everyone. The only thing holding us back from that state of loving oneness with everyone is our own inner development. Again, I'm not against spiritual discussion or intellectual dialogue. What I try to do is point out the difference between embracing spiritual investigation in an open manner, versus coming at it with a preconceived, subjective set of established spiritual ideas, concepts and beliefs. And if you have ever had a... run-in with a full-fledged twin flame believer online, you'll know which of those two spiritual investigation approaches they take.
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Post by mojomojo on Mar 31, 2015 13:45:14 GMT
Hi Baangus, Very good point, But I can assure you, when I speak of my own situation regarding soul mates, it doesn't come from intellect, from books or silence, or a need to find meaning, It is purely from experience, that both of us felt from day one, love at first sight wouldn't even cover it, it is a connection far deeper, that even seems to transcend time, And which grows stronger as we progress. From my own experience, it is my truth that spirit regards soul mates as one, one can not progress, without bringing the other along, if one has a question on their mind, the answer has often been received by the other in meditation. I can not prove the connection, I guess it's something you have to experience for yourself. I would guess, anyone, who feels threatened, when their truths are questioned, have done nothing more than, swap the ego mind for a spiritual ego mind, reactions of aggressiveness and anger, firmly rooted in fear. Without trying to sound arrogant, it would not bother me in the slightest if other people question or disbelieve what I write, I have given this path many years, and I'am very content with where I'am, and from that comes a quiet, inner confidence, unshakable, built on my truth and no-one else's, it is not built on external verification from others, or blindly accepting what another has wrote, nor is it strengthened by the need to convince others of my truth, it is also fluid in nature and can not be clung to, and knowing that the path continues, fills my heart with an inner joy. I do believe, as we do our inner work and progress, we hit different levels or receive spiritual gifts, and that feeling of all encompassing love for all beings, is one of these.
You mention there will be a time when people will experience physical pain when they see another in turmoil, Not that I have any experience of this, but others have claimed it is so, for them, now
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Post by cyberangel on Mar 31, 2015 14:06:25 GMT
Hi Robert I really enjoyed your last post here and can also relate. In fact it was so lovely to read it actually moved me because I can completely understand Although my husband and I dont share the same spiritual beliefs that you and your lovely wife do...we share the same belief that we are also soul mates. He is the love of my life and truly my other half...without each other we feel lost and incomplete. And we DID know this BEFORE we met in person. We are like the beautiful Mandala Chris posted...the yin/yang flower of life one. From the very first moment I said to my hubby..."I pray I die first as I could not live for one moment without you in my life" and he said "I pray you do too as I want to protect you from that pain" Lol...some may see that as morbid but we don't we just see it as it is...that one cant live without the other. He is my rock and my strength...my ground and my anchor and I am his wings God bless you Robert and Beatrice and thank you for sharing Love and Light PS I wanted to add that there is a real genuine feeling from your posts Robert. I can see how much you have spiritually grown and your open heart and mind have also grown. I love the way you speak 'your' truth and you do so in such a way that we all (well I can anyway) connect to it...that something you say can echo in someone like me and it's lovely. I dont have the words or intellect others have here but I can 'feel' when something is right and that works for me I have a simple mind, a huge heart and a toe in the spiritual pool and I am so so grateful for all I have in my life Just wanted to say thank you Robert...Thank you for sharing because I can truly feel a lot of what you say
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Post by mojomojo on Mar 31, 2015 14:27:24 GMT
Hi Lorraine,
Do you also have the strong feeling, that you have been together, many times before, When you look into each other's eyes, do you feel like you are been transported back in time, With visions of yourselves in the dress of that period.
Funny you mentioned that, but my wife has always claimed, If I die first, she would overdose, climb into bed beside me, and follow me.
If I think of her passing first, I have to stop, thinking.
I don't think you can understand it, until you experience it.
Yeah, it's strange the connections spirit can give you with people, this is really my second attempt at walking the path in this life, first time, things happened too quickly, and I tried to walk away from it, but spirit wasn't having it. First time I joined the forum, just looking at the selfie's, I could tell who I would connect with, and who I wouldn't, then coming out with stuff for no reason, that you know will happen in the future, now the black and white video films are back when I close my eyes, crazy, isn't it, you spend all this time and effort to gain a better understanding, and when you receive it, you can't tell anyone. But, I will agree with you Lorraine, you do have a huge heart, you are far from simple, and you have far more than your toe in the spiritual pool, you are quiet a powerful lady, all this was apparent from the start.
God bless you, and thank you.
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Post by cyberangel on Mar 31, 2015 15:46:49 GMT
Hi Robert I cant say that we have had the visions you and Beatrice have but I can say that we have both felt we have known each oyhet begore we ever had bodies if that makes sense. Also we spark off each other...lol:) Many a time we have touched and got a shock lol. When we feel it most is when we hug...my hubby is 6ft and im 5ft 4 so our hearts just kind of meet in the middle and when we hug...wow its like we are one - complete whole! Like you say one really has to experience it to fully understand. Love and Light
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Post by mojomojo on Mar 31, 2015 19:49:58 GMT
Cherish and wallow in every single moment of it Lorraine.
We are so privileged, to have been gifted with such a blessing.
Robert.
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