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Post by donq on Jul 23, 2022 18:48:52 GMT
Just (re) read this and want to share it here. "I had a very bitter experience early in medical school. I was assigned to examine two patients. The first was a 73-year-old man. He was in every way an undesirable bum, alcoholic, petty thief, supported by the public his entire life. I was interested in that kind of life, so I took a careful history and learned every detail. He obviously had a good chance of living into his 80’s. Then I went to see my other patient. I think she was one of the most beautiful girls I had ever seen— charming personality and highly intelligent. It was a pleasure to do a physical on her. Then, as I looked into her eyes, I found myself saying I had forgotten a task, so I asked to be excused and I would return as soon as possible. I went to the doctors’ lounge and I looked into the future. That girl had Bright’s disease, and if she lived another three months she’d be lucky. Here I saw the unfairness of life. A 73-year-old bum that never did anything worthwhile, never gave anything, often destructive. And here was this charming, beautiful girl who had so much to offer. I told myself, “You’d better think that over and get a perspective on life because that’s what you’re going to face over and over again as a doctor: the total unfairness of life.”
(from one of Milton H. Erickson's books)
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Post by hera on Jul 23, 2022 20:01:43 GMT
Hi Donq,
This seems to have been written very much from the 3D perspective and using earthly priorities and perspectives, but personally it would seem that the beautiful young woman got lucky and the elderly man drew the short straw metaphorically, needing to spend much longer here to learn lessons than the girl who had a relatively short stay before returning to peace in the 5D.
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Post by gruntal on Jul 23, 2022 21:23:03 GMT
That reminds me things spiritual often seem 180 degrees from conventional thinking ...
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Post by donq on Jul 24, 2022 5:21:35 GMT
Hi Hera and George, I do like what both of you said about perspective and degrees.
I recalled that before I got divorced (twice), or had suffered from migraine for more than 20 years, I still was so naive. It seems every pain/bitter experiences help my learning better than any pleasure experiences (and I'm not a masochist). For example, when we are in pain, we don't need anything more than getting rid of that pain. We don't care about anything else anymore, do we?
So, while it seems life is totally unfair, there's fairness in itself. It's about learning, maybe?
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Post by hera on Jul 24, 2022 17:23:05 GMT
Yes that's what I have come to believe Donq, it is indeed a learning process, one that requires many, many lifetimes to achieve. Sigh, now there's a depressing thought
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mojomojo
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Post by mojomojo on Jul 25, 2022 8:24:23 GMT
I think we have to be very careful of what we accept as truth. Spirituality is full of lovely sayings, that do not actually mean anything, because they cannot be proven, and to be honest they are just conversation stoppers. One is the belief we choose what happens to us, before we are born, if we except this belief, it makes us feel better when things go wrong, at least there is a reason for it, this is to help me grow. Another one, reincarnation, which confirms we will have multiple life times to experience hardship, because it takes that long to learn. What we get, the fear of death is not as strong, at least I come back. There are many people claiming they can remember past lives and give detailed information, but it could just as easily be they can connect with thought patterns in the ether. I have come across many evil people in my life time and to be honest the more evil you are the better you do in life, all had good lives, lived to an old age, didn’t particularly suffer greatly in death, but reincarnation covers that, right. One of the best things I ever did, was go on an atheist forum, thinking I could hold my ground. I left with my tail between my legs, because a lot of what we believe cannot be proven. Again be careful of what you except as truth.
Mojo.
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Post by hera on Jul 25, 2022 17:12:11 GMT
Yes that's fair comment Mojo, but I believe we go along with what feels right for the individual.
I was brought up in a church school, attended church each Sunday and blindly followed what I was taught for three decades until I had my own epiphany and walked away and searched for my own truth.
To keep to the theme of Donq's post, what I was taught was wrong and unfair, whereas my newfound belief system just seems to make sense and, for me, explains the insanity we observe and endure here.
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Post by donq on Jul 26, 2022 3:47:48 GMT
Hi Hera and Robert, Somehow, your posts remind me of Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra. (FYI, Nietzsche was a crazy man: his disease consisted of migraine, psychiatric disturbances, cognitive decline with dementia, and stroke. So, as Mojo already warned, be careful!) Note-the Übermensch or an overman is one who goes beyond the bondage of the human condition and reached a liberated state. Kind of a spiritual person. "Man is a rope, tied between beast and Übermensch (overman) - a rope over an abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping. "What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end: what can be loved in man is that he is an overture and a going under. "I love those who do not know how to live, except by going under, for they are those who cross over. "I love the great despisers because they are the great reverers and arrows of longing for the other shore. "I love those who do not first seek behind the stars for a reason to go under and be a sacrifice, but who sacrifice themselves for the earth, that the earth may some day become the overman's. "I love him who lives to know, and who wants to know so that the overman may live some day. And thus he wants to go under. "I love him who works and invents to build a house for the overman and to prepare earth, animal, and plant for him: for thus he wants to go under. "I love him who loves his virtue, for virtue is the will to go under and an arrow of longing. "I love him who does not hold back one drop of spirit for himself, but wants to be entirely the spirit of his virtue: thus he strides over the bridge as spirit.".................................. And to make it much more depressing (as Hera mentioned ) here, sometimes, it's not the bridge that we care crossing but the not-so solid ice road. So what to do? Yes, a dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping. We cannot do anything except to keep walking, right? And if we are in that kind of situation, it is never happening just an overnight, but "because of something that has been building up for a long time and that should have been dealt with early—but was not."
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