Astrology Behind the Coronavirus

[aceofcups]

Hello Friends,,

Been meditating what is energy behind the Coronavirus,,, and it's world-wide influence and the Fear, Worry and Isolation ( Saturn ) (Saturn also rules tests and time) and Death and Transformation ( Pluto archetype) it is bringing into the world at this time. It deals with the shadow aspects of the world and consciousness and in Capricorn it could also mean political agendas,,, which are now being exposed and coming  into  the light.

It's manifestation seems to be connected to the powerful Saturn/Pluto conjunction in earthy Capricorn,,, as it moved in the end of 2019 and became conjunct in early 2020. Saturn rules things like isolation, separation, depression, worry and Fear... all of which has been come to the forefront more and more from Virus.. Also the Saturn energy is related to also that it affects Older and Immune Compromised people ( both are connected to Saturn energy). Saturn has to do also with limitations and that will happen more and more in the world in so many different ways. All the Transformations that the virus is provoking may become more pronounced in the world under Pluto's energy.  Changing more and more how we live.

The other energy connected to it is the Expansion energy of Jupiter in is now also in Capricorn.... moving towards the same degree where Saturn and Pluto conjuncted. The image of the Virus looks so much like an image of how Jupiter's energy expands out from one center point embracing more and more of the world as it expands outward. The virus image has multiple points or spikes expanding out from it center circular form.   Jupiter has to do with concept of different countries of the world..  Jupiter's energy influence is being activated and expanding now affecting more people and countries around the world.   The positive energy of Jupiter is that is brings people of the world together,, people sharing idea and resources  --  that might happen now because there is no other better choice then if done through conscious agreements. That may be the positive transformation which will eventually come together from the pandemic...( Humanity working together) with Saturn and Pluto as it's co-energy rulers... may take a long time ( Saturn) and delays and suffering - learning how to deal with this energy..

The news headline today was now called "Global Pandemic by World Health Organization" that headline fits exactly symbolically with the energy of Jupiter being influenced by the additional forces of Saturnian and PLutonian energy.

This is all taking place in a 4 year is just harmonizes with the concepts of physical limitations and hard work to survive...

Meditating also with ways we may positively deal with this virus using Energy healing,


peace
aceofcups

[cyberangel]

Many thanks Ace for this...it really helps a lot in trying to understand the energy behind this. At least it offers some kind of explanation. I also join you in sending healing energy globally. I must be tuned into your energy as I just felt a sudden urge to check the forum and your post was here...so thank you once again. Any indication of when this energy is likely to shift?? Or are we stuck with it for a long time?? Lots of fear and uncertainty...I can already see the self isolation kicking in with people now. I can also see friends in disagreement over the severity of this COVID19. I am not channelling now as I am on a learning experience so I feel a little lost and isolated too in which way all this will go. But I do have faith that it will balance out eventually. I've joined a healing group and we are planning on a global healing energy. I miss my angels at this time...although I know they're there I miss their comforting words and energy...bit I am also enjoying learning about all the different energy paths and discovering...tuning and connecting to each...trying to find my true path while enjoying the learning and growing process.

Take care my friend and please keep in touch

Love and Light
Cyberangel 💖

[aceofcups]

Hi Angel, I have also felt a little bit of a struggle to stay as connected as I would like to be ,,, but had strong internal push to share the ideas about astrological patterns I saw which may be behind the Pandemic patterns now happening.   Just went back to reread the post I put on Forum on Jan 2 for the new year... a lot of the manifestations I had shared then are now manifesting outwardly in world and with people because of virus.

Angel, I am not sure when it will turn... because of Saturn's connection to it all,,, delays and long term consequences are part of it's energy archetypes of this cycle.. We are in a 4 year until end of year or a little shift last three months... probably will be times when some lessons are learned that things will shift to some degree hopefully... But Saturn/ Pluto and Jupiter are all in and stay in the earthy sign of Capricorn all year.... except for Saturn which moves out of Capricorn after March 22 for a few months of time into the humanity oriented sign of Aquarius but then moves back into Capricorn from July until end of year.

Saturn is all about getting tested in a number of ways...... they are having "limitations" in getting people "tested" for the virus.

Hopefully when we learn what the whole process is trying to teach us..including bringing to light the shadow aspects of Pluto which is also part of this pattern... i would guess.  When we learn that the world and humanity must learn to work together in new ways to help each other...also seems to be part of it's teaching.

This is not some outside force working to punish us but the karmic manifestations (that naturally seek energy balance) of the combined thoughts, emotions and activities which people have activated in the world and their lives over long periods of time. We are long term learning creatures... who learn through struggle and suffering at times.

The strange thing is we have Jupiterian forces trying to bring more and more people together (Jupiter has two principles: one to EXPAND OUTWARD from it's center - and secondly to INTERGRATE INWARDLY energy together towards it's center or it's main focus)..--- while at same time the Saturnian energies are at play which brings more isolation and separation.   The struggle between Uniting and Separating is a universal archetype in humanity's psyche.

The planet Uranus is in the material money oriented sign of Taurus.. Uranus energy is erratic and unexpected when in manifests at times. So the Uranian Taurus energy seems to be playing out within the financial resources of the stock market and financially swings going on in the world also caused by the coronavirus and people's fears and such about it.

The last big Planet is Neptune which is transiting through Pisces... which relates to nurses, medicines, hospitals... all which will be more and more as more of humanity is affected.

Wow..Now I just looked at Mars which is also in Capricorn right now... Getting closer to exact conjunction with Jupiter next week at time of Spring Equinox. Mars intensifies anger and frustration into the mix in some people emotions.  In others it gives them the strength to overcome obstacles.   Let's hope the Spring equinox period with Saturn moving in Aquarius and the Jupiter/Mars conjunction bring in some beneficial relief or positive energy shift during that time period  -- or at least the hope of relief on the horizon.

The other thing i didn't bring up is the concept of Politics which is ruled by Capricorn...

peace

[cyberangel]

Hi Ace

Thank you for your post expansion I for one really appreciate it. I'm sorry for the delay on replying but here's an update on recent events ...as you may or may not have heard...as of yesterday our government decided to close nursery's, national schools, colleges and universities.

They have also requested and expect people to comply with no enclosed gatherings of 100 people or more. And no more than 500 people gathered in an outside event. They have cancelled ALL St. Patrick's Day parades and events.

Today local authorities have closed public libraries and museums.

Since this news broke yesterday morning the entire country went straight into panic mode and dashed out panic bulk buying as is happening the world over.

Flights are still operating between the UK and Ireland but Ireland have reduced flights from affected regions and countries.

We are now in the "self" social-distancing phase for the next 2 weeks with a real possibility of extending this for a longer period...depending on how/if we manage to curve the virus spread.

One thing for certain it's a very different feeling today in Ireland than it was 2 days ago.

People are starting to realise the seriousness of this...not just of the virus but of how this will impact us financially, mentally and physically.

If this virus does start to curve towards out of control then it is a very real/maybe even certain possibility that Ireland will be placed on lock down.

I travelled to Galway last night to collect my Son and all his belongings from his digs as it is uncertain whether he will be returning for the remainder of this term or not...all depending on how this pan out.

Hearing and seeing reports from other countries mainly Italy is truly terrifying and possibly scaremongering but yet we also know it's a very real possibility. We are a small population country of about 5 million but we are also an Island so we should be about to control this...however of they continue to allow travel in and out of the country we'll have no control.

Scary times which is totally in keeping of what you have said. This has the potential to bring out the worst in us...or the best... so far I'm seeing the best in people...offering help where possible etc...that is encouraging and helping to keep the fear levels down.

Stay safe my friend and please keep in touch

Love and light
cyberangel 💖

[aceofcups]

HI Lorraine...

thanks for writing back,,, yes, we have same thing happening here.... tons of cancellations and closing of different venues,,,of people getting together as a group in any way shut down. at least my astrology understanding of energy cycles helps me to realize it is not a capricious God trying to punish us.

It is more teaching of what our shared humanity must learn -- to deal with each other and our attachments etc...

the lack of work and dealing with health and difficult financial situations of many around the world is still to come because of virus..... I am sorry to say.

But let us hope the Compassion of Humanity and the will to overcome and be more attuned... will also positively be the outcome of this difficult cycle.

peace, my friend

ace

ps.. another thing which now came to mind is the number 19 in numerology  the virus is now called Covid-19..

 19 is considered a Karmic Debt number if it comes up in an individual's personality numberscope.

(KARMIC DEBT NUMBER 19/1

The number 19/1 represents wisdom, power, and spiritual knowledge that has been used and abused for selfish personal gain in a previous incarnation..

If you have a 19/1 as one of your Core Numbers, understand this: You are now paying back for past abuses where sacred knowledge, lack of compassion, and spiritual misalignment were your behaviors. The 19/1 indicates to you that there has been a hefty abuse of power and that the actions involved were extremely self-centered and the abuse wasn’t willy-nilly – it was calculated.

The gift you’re given by knowing that you have a Karmic Debt to pay is this: Rather than feeling victimized, you can see that this is something that you brought on yourself – despite the fact that you can’t remember it. If you exert the energy and commitment to working in the positive realm of the number 1, then you’ll reap the benefits. The Karmic Debt can feel like you’re the Phoenix; you must go through an intense reconstruction or regeneration process in order to come to terms and clear your Karmic slate.)

[gruntal]

Odd I am going thru a difficult time of life and wondered at times if I was abandoned. I don't really have time to think much about virus because my survival seems a tad precarious anyways. Even more odd now I am learning fear and isolation is out there and it wasn't just me. All the years I spent studying and practice and I should have more to show for it. Maybe I do but just had no reason to rely on it before.

I did get a big sack of dog food. Life goes on for Poochie as if nothing has changed with me or the world ...

[aceofcups]

Hi George.. nice to hear your still alive and kicking. Was thinking about you when I started using Forum again recently.
Miss the Chat room...would have been good time to have the chat room again with so many having to isolate - stay home and such.

My cat recently was diagnosed with Feline Diabetes... so have to feed her special food.. but she is cutie and great to have her around. But I have my computer, tv, Netflix movie subscriptions etc. etc,,, still go to on-line study groups and such. Hoping we all survive this real challenging test of dealing with stuff and people in new ways in the world.

The test is against a virus... not other people or belief systems... which makes us survive and deal with each other in new ways.

Peace
ace

[cyberangel]

Hi Ace and Gruntal

I am using my pc today as one of my phones locked me out of the forum and the other had the old forum link so couldn't access either...thankfully the good old pc (laptop) had it saved so I was able to reset them all so hopefully should work next time I go to log in.

Ace I so excited to tell you that my hubby has purchased or is going to purchase two online courses for me as a mothers day gift from him and our Son. The first course is Astrology and the second is in Numerology. I cant wait to start them. I don't know yet which one to start with first. I'm nearly finished an online Wicca Diploma course...I think I have only 2 modules left to complete. Ive really enjoyed it and hope I can put into practice some of the things that resonated with me. Im not really interested in the craft side of Wicca, although some of it is interesting like the candle magic etc, but Ive always believed in the power of intention anyway so the ritual side is just a visual aid for me. I realised I am not a witch...although many think I am hahaha. I like certain elements of the wiccan belief and as I said certain parts really resonate deeply with me, especially the nature elements. I like the wiccan rede and also believe in the 3 fold law, whereas many witches do not. I am unsure whether I will choose the wiccan path or just adapt parts of it into my spiritual learning. One thing for sure we are certainly going to have plenty of time to read, study and hopefully learn and grow through all this covid-19. Its funny reading your last post as I was thinking the exact same thing, wouldn't it be great to have the chat back up again. Has chat gone for good now? No sign of Karen or Leon now. I often think and wonder how they are doing. Maybe they will return with everything that is happening. I miss Monty too, but see he does pop in from time to time and bit like myself. Anyway maybe chat will happen who knows. Thanks again for your post and it really is good to reconnect with you again.

Hi Gruntal
It is sure nice to hear from you again my friend but I am sorry to read in your post that you are struggling. I presume you are still struggling on with your heart and breathing problems. It is a worrying time with everything that is going on right now but it is nice that we have each other even if it is only through the internet. I cant say ill be on every day but I am going to make a conscious effort to check in at least once a week from now on. I hope we all feel the urge to reconnect with each other. It would be nice to have topics to discuss and to explore. Anyway I hope you can find some relief soon and not find it so much of a struggle. Take care and talk again soon.

Love and light to you both
cyberangel 0:-)

PS. Hope your cat will be ok Ace...and gruntal do you still have your dogs??

[aceofcups]

Hi Lorraine... happy you got to connect to forum again.. those classes in Astrology and Numerology sound great to me of course.. If you have any questions while taking classes, please feel free to ask..if I know the answer.

Yes, would be nice to have Monty, Richard and Hera (she knows some astrology also.

copied out from book that was written in 1976 an aspect of the Coronavirus

SATURN CONJUNCT PLUTO by Robert Hand from “Planets in Transit” ©1976

During this transit you may have fewer resources available for doing what you want, and you may have to focus the available resources on more restricted and concentrated objectives. Pluto is the Power of Transformation. While Saturn narrows and focuses. The effects of the combination are several. First, structures in your life will change significantly. The changes brought about Pluto are inherently in what is being changed, if you look carefully. It is rather like an evitable conclusion of a situation. During this transit some things will come to an end or an old order of life will cease. On a metaphysical level, this transit means that factors are now being incorporated into the structure of your life that will later bring about evolution and growth. This process involves getting rid of old structures. What happens now will have great consequences in fourteen years.

On the material level, this transit often causes financial problems or other kinds of shortages. The aspect and those in authority will impose heavy burdens that greatly effect your freedom of movement. It is also possible that some incident may affect your health and restrict your freedom of movement.

All of theses effects confine your energies so that later they can be focused upon matters that will require your full attention. If your energy is spread to thin, later crisis will be much more difficult to bear. Then you will have to go through a most unpleasant house-cleaning of everything in your life that interferes with your natural pattern of evolution.

One danger of this transit is that Pluto can signify tremendous evolutionary energies, which Saturn restricts. This can lead to apparent suppression of the Pluto force. When the suppressed force erupts, it may be dangerous, explosive and quite violent. As more and more restriction by circumstances and the need to use your resources conservatively, do not simply hold in your energies. Build new structures to correct the problems you face now, and concentrate all your energy on bringing about the necessary evolution in your life. Saturn can give form to Pluto as well as repress it.

[cyberangel]

Hi Ace

Ostara Blessings on this Spring Equinox

Many thanks again for your offer of help much appreciated and I've no doubt your help will be invaluable. I just started reading the introduction last night to astrology and already I am excited to start...but I hope I will be able to understand it all. So far so good...but I must write notes. It's nice to even understand the wording used in astrology alone.

I find your last post so interesting as well as foreboding. It is fascinating how the cosmos can have such a huge impact on us but on the other hand not so much considering the vastness of the universe compared how miniscule we are in the grand scheme of creation.

I slept well last night probably the best sleep in weeks...but woke up with an awful feeling in the pit of my stomach...you know that gut feeling like waiting for something to happen but unsure of what it is. I don't have this feeling for myself it is very much for the UK. In fact when I try and see further I can't. Ace...that is extremely worrying. O am always able to picture or imagine an outcome but when I try with the UK...it's just nothing...and that feels me with dread. Im going to try not to think about it too much but hopefully this feeling will pass. I miss my angelic friends... especially in times like this. Anyway...best to try and focus on the positives.

Today here was a beautiful start to Spring...sun shining although no heat from it yet...so chilly but nice to see the light return again and the evenings to be brighter from now onwards. Our clocks will spring forward soon.

Take care my friend and stay safe...chat again soon.

Love and light
Angel 💖

[aceofcups]

Hi Lorraine,

To me one of the key understandings in Astrology is the Archetypes of energy of each individual Planet,,and the Four Elements.., Your like me you have to get not just it's "meaning" but the energy feelings behind the words... the archetypical energies work together to create the  signs,,, houses... aspects... each amplifying and stretching out the original core archetypes into multiple variations.

To me Astrology forces make up the etheric Blueprint of the energy of our "Soul or Higher Self" which are taking incarnation in any one personality lifetime.  How we use that energy is up to us,,, and creates our karmic ( beneficial or challenging) patterns and character we work with in this life and in future incarnations.

just my two cents...

peace, ace

A Pandemic does not Pardon

A world tinged with confusion
wrapped in isolation
forced to learn lessons
in an air of calamity and uncertainty.

No-one really to blame
just nature cycling in sequence
with unfathomable tests
for those holding tight
to their allegiance
of how it should be.

Fumbling in the darkness
helping where one can
even if overwhelmed
by the enormity
of burdens it inflicts –
separated by distances
in a world closer then ever.

© charlie elkind 03/20/2020

[cyberangel]

Hi Ace my apologies for delay in reply. I actually saw your post and beautiful poem on Mother's day and was to reply but things got crazy here in a matter of hours.

Sunday was Mother's day here and it was a beautiful sunny day...not a warm day but beautifully bright...we had thought about going to the forest for a picnic but changed our minds because it was chilly..so we just stayed home and watched a movie or two.

In the meantime...what seemed like the whole country arrived to our beautiful peaceful countryside...along with their kids in tow. There was no warning or thought put into it...they just arrived in what seemed like packs of people. No social distance possible with the throngs of people.

I felt a rage like no other come over me and so I, like many others spent the entire evening ranting and raving about such recklessness and selfish behaviour...I was so caught up with that rage and negative energy I was unable to shake it off the following day...and got caught up along with the rest of the angry people...

It was a combination of anger (to people showing complete disregard to the health guildlines) and fear (of some many from the city invading our safety) and so I was engulfed and then I wondered much later if there was some change at a cosmic level to cause myself and so many to become so angry so quickly and for so long. Come Tuesday morning I was much calmer and regained my composure again.

Everything seems strange and so fast as which things are changing with this virus. Friends becoming enemies, arguments erupting, misunderstandings its all going on.

Last night I meditated briefly and i felt a rebalance an alignment within and it felt good...it felt wonderful like an inner shower...a spiritual cleanse. I felt much more myself today and like my energy has shifted once more. I managed to get out today to do a few errands...like go to the bank...get a bit of shopping in...when I got home I even managed to get into the garden and plant a few herbs and flowers. This was the most relaxed Ive felt since this whole virus thing erupted.

Luckily we are not on a lockdown yet but we are on social distance notice. We are not allowed within 2 metres of people other than our own household. I couldn’t even hug my mum on Mother’s day...so when we got hundreds of people arrive it was overwhelming. On hindsight they just wanted to enjoy the day also and decided to head to the beach seeing hardly anyone at work now.

All non essentional stores are closed...just supermarkets, pharmacies and small convenience stores open. All bars, restaurants, take aways, cinemas, shopping malls are all closed until further notice...along with nurseries, schools and colleges etc.
My son is getting his lectures online which is great. I attented a meeting via Zoom the first time I ever used the app before. Its strange to see the way we adapt to our circumstances.

Just recently I felt a little uneasy...well a lot uneasy if Im honest in relation to the virus. I don’t want to come across all conspiracy theory or anything...but this virus doesn’t feel right...I understand its a noval virus and so very little is known about it and everyone is learning as we go on...but I cant explain I just feel that its ‘attack’ is not so random...Its just a feeling not a premonition or anything...just my ‘gut’ intuition giving me a nudge...anyway time will tell I guess.

Im going to meditate again tonight...and again tomorrow morning, and try and balance the energies within. Its hard trying to balance logic against intuition...especially when both feel right.

Anyway Ace there was a lot of other stuff going on besides this but my apologies again for the delay in replying...chat again soon my friend...stay safe

Love and Light

Angel

[aceofcups]

Lorraine... The anger was probably Mars ( anger , irritation) being Conjunct Jupiter in Capricorn early this  week. I have been isolating in my apartment last two weeks... just seeing and communicating with friends and loved ones on line in classes, via telephone and with over net. But been keeping up with news of virus.. Been getting lot of offers to meditate with different groups and such on-line. Joined a few..

It is sad about all the turmoil the virus is bringing - but personally i see it just as a natural energy occurrence of nature ...( like hurricanes tornado, earthquakes which also brings destruction ) they are karmic teaching lessons indeed brought on via natures cyclical nature... but also can bring out very compassionate giving experiences in many people. Sorry to say humanity learns via suffering at times brought forth to balance it's Karmic patterns and evolving blueprint.

Just looked it up our Mother's Day is different then our's here in US in May.

Stay safe... best to you and your family

peace

[gruntal]

there has in recent years been a bit of a tug of war between conventional medicine and traditional cures. each has a few demons. the ancients did not seem to know about microorganisms. that meant hygiene and lack of immunity wasn't considered. but modern medicine seems oblivious to how the totality of existence effects how easily we get sick or how hard cures can be.

I am hearing voices crying out in the wilderness that the spread of the Corona virus is unrealistically fast and that the susceptibility seems to be at least a little spontaneous. like we are all literally bombarded with electromagnetic waves and picking up the disease akin to inadvertently tuning in to that nasty crazy radio station.

at some level that seems like dangerous nonsense. but then as a kid I never imagined studies like astrology had any merit until I realized the pull of distant stars and planets was more then simple gravity. like the bug a boo that " I am Holy and think good thoughts and God will cure me " . that is undoubtedly true at some time and place. but precious few here in that mortal existence are capable of that. I just keep wondering if the "waking planet" is indeed developing a group consciousness - but at first not everything we download is going to be all that nice or benevolent ...

[mojomojo]

Two months ago approximately, my wife and I had a short conversation.
" Do you think something big, is about to happen."
Looking nervously at one another, she answered cautiously, " yes, I think its something apocalyptic."
"You mean end of days, like." she said nothing, just nodded.
We both thought it would come from global warming, cities flooded, something like that, then came the virus out break.
Since then neither one of us has been able to connect.
My old childhood temper has returned with a vengeance, but as Lorraine has said, it seems to be aimed at those who have no concept of what is going on, and have no respect for the protocols put in place, or the health of others.
My sisters daughter, who is a nurse, and my wife's younger sister both have the virus.
The conspiracy theorists could have a field day with this, but I do not think that is it, but then, that is only my opinion.
I firmly believe, we have brought this on ourselves.
It is a demonstration of how fragile and temporary our economy is, and what the real values of life are.
I do believe if lessons are not learned, things may well get a lot worse, but again, its only my opinion.
Stay safe all,
mojo.

[aceofcups]

happy you joined us Robert and your wife.. hope your family members with virus do OK.

peace
ace

[mojomojo]

Thank you, Charlie for your welcome.
The virus left one family member as quick as it came, at the moment she is fine.
I do worry about the U.S.A. especially New York or any major city where people live in close proximity.
Another worry, a few people have mentioned, they can not connect, whether this is because of fear or worry with what is taking place or another reason, I do not know.
It does remind me of Kinnity castle, which was awash with spirits, until they got in all the modern appliances, tv, wifi, it was extremely difficult to connect after that.

Robert.

[aceofcups]

i live in New York upstate... following the guidelines for isolating because i am in that group with older people with compromised immune systems at times ... but the isolation has been like going on a meditation retreat in my apartment,,, been self meditating and meditating on-line with a large number of people. Speaking on phone etc. taking classes on-line,,, etc.

Only way I can help out now it seems is inwardly aligning and then being an instrument for sending healing energy outward to people and the world. One does what one can.

[aceofcups]

In Numerology... we have moved into a Number 8 month in April of a number 4 universal Year.  Four has to do with limitations and restrictions.. which is totally being played out with the Virus and the isolation many are now going through.  The 8 month energy brings up more about finances, money, housing, and work limitations the Virus has plagued some people with. Some say we are heading towards a world recession.   And it may get a lot worse before it transforms into something new.

But Spiritually -- individually it is all about finding our inner solace, if possible, in these very troubling times we live in. We have to play our part and take responsibility in getting and trying to remain centered, accepting what is etc.   Helping our fellow humans who are also struggling.. etc. The higher forces may help if we can let go of our Ego.... and images of the past.

just my 2 cents... stay healthy and safe

peace
ace

[aceofcups]

Hello again,

to anyone still "left" reading this... in May we move into a 9 month of the 4 Universal year.   The energy of the number 4 and the planet Saturn has been about limitations, delays, isolation, fears and anxiety and other issues the Coronavirus has brought to the forefront.   Last month ( a 8 number month) in April the full impact on the financial situation was starting the show its way forth-- which is what 8 represents.  Financial limitations and it results may even solidify more in May.

The month of May is a 9 month and is all about really learning to let go... giving up things which one doesn't use any more, things one doesn't really need, things which are too costly etc.    The giving up can take place on a physical level or on a psychological or spiritual level also.    It is time to reexamine what one has and what one really needs.   Giving up ego attachments to superficial facades of who we think we are.. asking ourselves what attachments we hold on to foster some maybe hard won but semi-illusionary image  we may have of ourselves and how the world works.

Before a REALLY new cycle can start things which one consciously or unconsciously still hold on to may be or must be let go of to clear the way for the new.

This theme may hold true for individuals and also larger world structures and institutions.

The positive thing about a nine month  is that it is also about serving others in need... sacrificing self wants and desires in order to compassionately help and care for others.  Learning more about the concept and living out from a sense that Humanity is a hopefully evolving species that needs to work together in order to survive on this planet.

peace
ace

[gruntal]

Shuckins - I was going to give me a belated birthday present of an AR-15 but I probably can't find a shooting range open right now. I guess it isn't that important. The currant crisis has spurred the formation of lots of on-line meetings and Life Coaching . The latter might be like taking private lessons to play the clarinet. I already mastered the band instruments so I should consider something more esoteric in my old age. I'm not sure what good that would be to anybody. I can't be that unique ?

It does bother me there might be others like me that don't feel very welcome anywhere or have any place to go. I don't look on that as a business opportunity. Maybe I just see things differently. Much discontent here and a lot of angry people. Defiance ! Those were supposed to be PUBLIC BEACHES ! Are we infecting the grunion ?!

Maybe it's just me but I hate to think having our lives and civilization turned upside down for a mistaken assumption should be a golden opportunity to rethink what happened. I sincerely hope it is NOT back to normal eventually ...

[mojomojo]

Something very strange going on with all this, we have been experiencing a continual bombardment of negative past events, constantly running through the mind.
At first I thought it was meditation, releasing past hidden events, but my wife is not meditating.
Then I put it down to sheer depression, but not sure that would cause it.
My wife thinks we are going through a cleansing, a self judgement of sorts.
In the Christian religion it is stated, at the end of days, we will be judged, I most certainly dont want to think in that direction.
Anyone else experiencing anything similar.

[aceofcups]

nice to see you Robert,,, thanks for posting...

The coronavirus was the results of the energy of Saturn and Pluto being conjunct..  The experience of things feeling like they are repeating. To me it could be about the planet Saturn which esoterically is called the home of the Lords of Karma.  Karma is the law of balance,,, ( on the physical, emotional and mental levels of our being).  Sometimes Karma brings up old experiences which need to be energetically reworked.

The bardo experience when we die also is said to bring up to our consciousness old negative images which has to be reviewed by our being,,, helped by our inner teachers we get to see where we messed up and at times hurt others.

i am doing ok,,,  i am living isolated physically but don't feel isolated from being on-line -- been able to be creative and attended many meditational groups working on energies.....I was just 70  and have past lung issues ..so being physically in the group of people - I have to be cautious about virus,   but working as hard as i can to share what i have to share on-line with a number healing and spiritual groups.

but thanks and be safe Robert and Family

ace

[mojomojo]

Hello Charlie,
I did the very same thing with a completely new post yesterday and the same thought came to mind, maybe I wasn't meant to post it.
I know things are rough everywhere, but New York is getting it bad, stay safe,
The bardo effect is not something I have heard of before, but replaying bad experiences where I upset others, sure sounds true.
There was a period of my life when I went completely off the rails, and gave myself over to alcohol and drugs, I upset a lot of dangerous people, even though it was twenty odd years ago, its all been brought back to my awareness now.
What Im meant to do with it at this stage, I have no idea.

Thanks for re-doing the reply.

[gruntal]

I'm not that spiritual so I have less qualms about posting nasty stuff. The only problem I do have is the very practice of writing demands I at least make a stab at being coherent. Before I even finish a piece I have notice so many connotations and peripherals I didn't realize before I started I may not be sure of it's original intent or how to end it. That works on many levels ....

[aceofcups]

HI George,,, that old I'm not spiritual.. from what you posted in last year or so -- not sure if that works anymore. But nice try..lol
Nice to see you.. to bad chat is gone from site.

Robert. happy you read earlier redone post -- as i just read your redone post...lol.. it all goes back that Everything is ultimately in the Present. From that perspective Past and Future are just mind constructs. So things of Past are still very much Here and Now in our consciousness.    And our Higher Self lives in fuller consciousness of Present. So if past karma is not finished it will keep coming up until we find the key of unlocking it and ways to "really" let it go.

just my two cents

peace

ace

[aceofcups]

Here in the U.S. we are having many riots in the streets taking place..the last couple of days/// Intensified by Mars square the Sun this weekend.

to me it is part of the manifestation of that Saturn/Pluto aspect playing out this whole year...as I posted earlier in this thread about that aspect:

One danger of this transit is that Pluto can signify tremendous evolutionary energies, which Saturn restricts. This can lead to apparent suppression of the Pluto force. When the suppressed force erupts, it may be dangerous, explosive and quite violent. As more and more restriction by circumstances and the need to use your resources conservatively, do not simply hold in your energies. Build new structures to correct the problems you face now, and concentrate all your energy on bringing about the necessary evolution in your life and the world at large. Saturn can give form to Pluto as well as repress it.

Some of meaning related to Pluto

Pluto is the great revealer, but often there's a dark night before the rebirth. Pluto brings to mind purging, and releasing buried power or core truths. It's the planet of creative destruction, and transits can feel like extended ordeals. Pluto's energy will not be suppressed but its power is often feared.

Pluto rules Scorpio with its province being death and rebirth. Pluto's sometimes hidden lessons hold out the promise of emerging from the flames a new person or world situation. When chaotic events shake us at the foundations, it could be

Pluto provoking change at the most fundamental level.

Pluto governs power itself, including struggles between people and countries for domination and control. Power, domination manipulation and control are all Pluto energy words. And conversely feeling powerless and manipulated is also Pluto. It can be humbling to look soberly at the area of life in which you feel powerless, and worked over. 

Pluto's dark and punishing face is that of a tough, but loving teacher, leading you toward a more authentic experience of yourself. Transiting Pluto brings changes whether you're ready or not, and you and situations emerge completely transformed and new. Transiting Pluto will provoke upheaval and regeneration.

Pluto represents the hidden shadow aspects of consciousness. Things like racism would be Pluto energy at play. Pluto can manifests it’s shadow issues of power and greed - with terrorism, torture, kidnappings, murder, beheading, rape and violence - It is a living horror story mentality for those living in its nightmare. Pluto rules all that is hidden, unseen or buried, including secrets, undercover work (such as detective or spy work). It also drives the unearthing or unmasking of whatever has remained concealed. It rules decay, corruption, gangsters and all underground figures.

Pluto deals with compulsive behavior patterns... But also rules true Transformation of things, people, mind-sets and world issues.

[aceofcups]

Hello... it is now Friday June 5th.. we are due for a Sagittarius/Gemini Full moon ( also is an eclipse) in about 3 hours or so and we have the Sun/Mon square Mars a 5 degrees away from Neptune.   

What this may mean is:

DEBATES- DEBATES - DEBATES (Gemini-Sag) -- will reign supreme --- with points of physical confrontations (mars square)

How it may play out is with more people being very vocal and inspired by their Ideals and belief's in Freedom and Equality.. But the Mars involvement could mean it may cause conflict with others who have different ideals and beliefs.  This has been happening a lot the last two weeks but full moon energy makes it reach its peak of involvement in mass consciousness now.   So that strong increased communication and vocalizing may still be with us for a while in next two weeks and beyond. More mass protests and conflicts possible unless they find a ways to resolve difference in beliefs  (including Pluto's long-held and its connection to the shadow aspects of consciousness).  With Mars and Pluto part of grand mix of energy involved.. also violence.. but hopefully not ( positive Jupiter-Sag energy).

peace

ace

[aceofcups]

July 11, 2020

Here is my take looking at the Astrological patterns moving on:

Saturn which was one of the astrological energies behind the Covid-19 Virus has now moved back into Capricorn until mid December... giving a good chance that the Covid19 will still be around most of this year and getting stronger in places that thought were safe before... and some even going back to earlier isolation living as we move into the Fall months... Many people are learning that change is part of the lesson of this year. Breaking down old ways people did things, old wishes are getting altered by circumstances. Those who are able to go with the flow of these radical changes will survive in this new normal. Some will even like it as they mustered new ways of learning and doing things... those still wanting things all to change back to certain habitual old ways and patterns may be very disappointed on the physical, emotional and psychological levels of their being.

I am still concerned what possible terrible weather conditions that may crop up this late summer/fall -- added to the limitation and distancing procedures of the virus would lead to - both combined will stretch the limitations of many.

Mars the planet of anger, irritation and violence is now hovering it it's natural sign of Aries for whole rest of year... so it's up to each individual to "try" to be calm... not not active but in as level headed way as they can be under circumstances erupting in the World.

Maybe a glimmer of positive change will open up in Oct and Nov. as be move towards a number 5 number yearly cycle in 2021.

Jupiter and Saturn moving into Aquarius at around same time in Mid Dec.. hopefully will also be positive cycle for practical changes for all of humanity.  Old structures being reborn anew.

Everybody keep safe ..

ace

[aceofcups]

Looks like we are headed for another big astrological Configuration at end of 2020. Jupiter and Saturn conjunct together every 20 years. One is expansive the other restrictive.. usually has been turning signpost point in history that happens every 20 years. It has happened in Earth signs since 1840 .. this is first one in an Air sign of Aquarius since 1405 and will remain in air signs until 2160.   So "Air" travel of various kinds outwardly and inwardly in consciousness will be more and more highlighted.   Be it through telepathic communication or astral travel.  Who knows when we will be able to teleport ourselves in the future.   Flying cars and buses .  Who knows what the future holds.

The exact conjunction this year happens on same day as the Winter Solstice,,, pointing towards a powerful shift in some way. then in early Jan the conjunction gets hit by the electric changeable energy of Uranus is Taurus. So world financial concerns which was hit hard by virus will explode in some new and challenging ways.

ace