Evolution vs creation

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Evolution has no power in this world , many scientists admit we are a design , our physical bodies are so complex that our veins arteries and capillaries cut down and put end to end can travel 60,000 miles yes that sixty thousand miles of veins arteries and capillaries , that amount of veins does not come to be by chance , and eyes that can see 2.7 billion light years away .

It took god 80 billion years of growth to be able to create a human body which is also why we must treat our bodies and others bodies with respect .

Many believe that we grew in shape and size from one creature to another but this is false . god creates each life form as it . life can't be complex without thought , without conscious intelligence . god was not born complex god started life as a spark of light and a feeling of love at took billions of years to grow .

Evolution is nothing just time . it has not consciousness it has no mind , no thoughts. So how can nothing create life and change it shape from an ape to a man .

Or fish to a land mammal. We have design in our bodies a means to process food and use its nutrients and then expel the waste .

And tear glands that clean our eyes . and much more . and did you notice our world has every vitamin our bodies need to sustain its health within food . that's no coincidence ,god designed us to live in this world .
We are a creation . we are created . we are complex beings in a complex world , creationalism beats evolution 

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God does not have a sick sense of humour . yes he did create dangerous plants and animals but not because he enjoys it remember darkness was created by god and implemented in our world only for learning purposes .

The world is a dark place and by experiencing all that darkness when you go home to heaven you will be greatfull for heaven . similar to being out in a cold winter storm freezing bitter cold winds then you get into the nice warm house and you feel warm and cosey .polarities we are here to learn from polarities

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We will always have remembrance of the cold harsh world we live in when we return to heaven and that will help us to appreciate heaven greater .god knew when he created his angels they would not appreciate heaven without seeing hell .

Its not nice but it is gods way and once home in heaven you will see greater gods divine plan .

[gruntal]

The history of the world is usually summed up as a single event that progressed over time. An alternate theory suggests the planet decided to cleanse and renew itself at certain intervals. Everything was destroyed in the process. As to who or what seeded the new beginnings I don't have time to go into that now.

Suffice it to say every story or anecdote of the Masters ( who do the will of the One ) shows Them to always take shortcuts or utilize existing things. This is apparently less to do with laziness as the total absence of ego. You could create something from scratch to show case your power of creation. But who do you want to impress ? And why?

More to the point is what came first? Souls seeking a body to experience life or organisms of lessor complexity gradually evolving to perfection? The former suggests a long waiting process to wait for the physical to meet the needs of the advanced. Apes were not better then nothing no matter how impatient you were. The latter disregards toads will always be toads even as we we kid ourselves tadpoles somehow became poetic over time and invented Shakespeare.

The Rosicrucians teach life never had a beginning. Nor will it ever end. It does unfold in different and higher levels of awareness. It is not so much things get better as it is we see and surround ourselves with better things.

[aceofcups]

I agree with you Gruntal-- the Esoteric postulates that there is no ultimate beginning or ending over eons and eons of existence on multileveled states of consciousness. They also maintain it is a periodic process involving states of Involution and Evolution - called the Out-breath and In-breath periods of manifestation and periods of rest. ( Manvantra and Pralaya). Evolution is a vast system of continuous movement evolving with multiple forms and Beings in a multidimensional playing field in a never beginning or terminating Universe.

The Esoteric Understanding of evolution is vast, encompassing an amazingly interesting subject of study.  Called in some esoteric literature the ultimate "Divine Plan".  Led by a hosts of Creative Beings who work each in their own sphere with/ and in Universal laws of creation in manifestation. Within an Ultimate never-ending Consciousness.

The grand paradox of which came first, the chicken or the egg.. is that both exist for eternity in Absolute Space and Consciousness. That all relative Dualities ultimately exist as ONE.

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Dec 31, 2017 13:50:22 GMT mojomojo said:

People can not accept the fact, of something coming from nothing, until the light shines on God, then the answer seems to be, he always was, the same old conversation stopper, that cannot be proved or disapproved.
It is scientific fact, that species of animals adapt to their environment over time.
As well as the world having every vitamin our body needs, it also has plants that can kill if ingested, so does that mean God has a sick sense of humor, or just likes a bit of chance.
"God started life as a spark of light and a feeling of love," so where did the light and love come from, in short who created God?

People can't accept that something can't come from from nothing because it does not make sense we and all life is very complex . Life has purpose the body has purpose if it has purpose then it had conscious thought designing and creating it

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Jan 7, 2018 13:09:26 GMT mojomojo said:

The world is a dark place, and we are here to experience that darkness.
It does not say much for heaven, if the only way to get us back there, is to cause us pain.

"Come on, back to heaven with you."
"Nah, I want to stay here."
"If you want to stay here, then you are going to suffer, with many hardships and die a horrible death."
"Whats heaven got to offer?"
"No, still staying here, aah, ouch, aah aah aah, ouch ouch ouch."
"You coming back?"
"No, f--k off, you b-L---ks, aah ooh aaaah ouch.
The cry of a newborn child.
"You know what God, its still worth it."
Maybe the world is dark, because we make it so, and if we all took responsibility for that, instead of blaming it on an outside source.


Given that we were meant to come from there originally, it all sounds like a complete waste of time.

God and the angels are not an outside source . We are not seperate from our higherself the angel in heaven .

We our souls are an awarness an incarnation of angelic energy the angel controls the soul and creates it's actions . To the consciousness we ate our souls will grow in light according to what the higher self wants it too know

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Jan 8, 2018 17:40:58 GMT mojomojo said:

Where did the light and love come from, who created  God.God just formed he just came to be 

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Jan 8, 2018 20:49:57 GMT mojomojo said:

God just formed, he just came to be.

So God came from nothing.

God has not confirmed yet that there was any thing it substance for him to form from I can't give you that answer untill God gives it to me I am just a channal I don't make this stuff up God Inspires it to me I assumed there was light in existence before god but I can't confirm that yet see what happens I may get inspired new stuff at some stage good question though