When all you thought you knew is shaken. ( part two ).

[mojomojo]

How do they gain access?

Believe it or not they have to be invited, where you have had enough of life and claim you want out, a hole or tear in your energy field, traumatic events that cause the soul to fragment, part of you doesn't want to experience the trauma and leaves, extreme loneliness,
the amount of reasons seem endless, and there are many sites documenting such.

Kind of changes the playing field, how can there be such a thing as working on yourself, doing your own inner work, if your thoughts are not completely your own, some claim even if you get cleansed, a few years down the line you will pick up new ones.
I recall the time, I thought I was making spiritual progress and the ego upped the ante to the extent I felt I was been attacked by an outside source, maybe I was.
I had got to the stage, where I questioned, if it was the mind causing all these spiritual experiences, these visions in meditation, the spiritual ego having taken over, if the mind creates our reality, by our thoughts, words and actions, is it not quite capable of putting a few visions and experiences together, deluding ourselves we are making progress.
As one great Indian master said, if there is one who see's and an object to be seen, it is not it.
If there is one who experiences and the experience itself, that is not it.
It can not be seen, there is no separateness.

Think what you will,
but there is only truth in experience.
Have a cleansing done, and experience for yourself.

[donq]

Hi Robert,
I saw your posts for a while but didn't have enough time to reply until now. Sorry. Here's my take.
You said (on two posts of yours):

"It is believed in certain circles, that seventy per cent plus of the population, have entities, most people think if you had an entity, you would know it, wrong, most people think an entity would completely change their personality, so they would be aware, again wrong.
These people claim, that not only do most people have an entity, but that they have several and are completely unaware of them.
If that's not bad enough, it is also claimed that ninety eight per cent of the thoughts you have are not your own, crazy, stick around it gets worse, and here's the big one, there is a probable chance that you are not the original owner of your body, you should be all picking yourselves off the floor by now, but wait...
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I had got to the stage, where I questioned, if it was the mind causing all these spiritual experiences, these visions in meditation, the spiritual ego having taken over, if the mind creates our reality, by our thoughts, words and actions, is it not quite capable of putting a few visions and experiences together, deluding ourselves we are making progress.
As one great Indian master said, if there is one who see's and an object to be seen, it is not it.
If there is one who experiences and the experience itself, that is not it.
It can not be seen, there is no separateness."


I honestly don't know what "entity" is. Though I believe I do know what you were talking about.
I had spent more than 10 years seriously practicing my spirituality (literally 24/7 practicing for years, not just only hours a days). Then I came to the point that my spiritual practice has merged into my daily routine. (I can drive a car without knowing I'm doing it. And this doesn't mean I'm careless in my driving.) Then, I have spent another 25 years trying to find its explanation, not for myself because I already knew what it was, but for my readers (and/or anyone who might want to know about it).
I started to read everything. Not just spiritual stuffs like I used to do. And I never thought that I would read even about Nuclear Physics and medical hypnosis as at first they seemed to have nothing to do with spirituality at all. And I finallly believe auto-hypnosis is the key for so many things. (And physicists had the silimar experiences about observing a particle like those spiritual persons observing their thoughts/minds).
Don't get me wrong, I just found the solid explanation that self-induced script (auto-hypnosis) is the way we make our beliefs in whatever we finally believe. And this was called "maya" (illusion; ignorance) in Eastern spitituality (Buddhism etc.).
So, even I don't believe in any "entity", I also know that it's real for anyone who believes in it.
Let me put it in this way. Buddhism believes that since we were born, we've hynotized ourselves (making believe) that we are these bodies; these thoughts are ours; these stuffs are ours; etc. Then, we've attached to them more and more. And those are the very cause of personal sufferings. When anyone starts to undo these auto-hypnosis, or visious circles, it might be a big shock. But after that big shock there will be a very clear sight. He will start to see everything as it really is.
I believe that spiritual practice is not to make us become superhumen. On the contrary, it will help us to become ordinary men again. Back to the normal. Anything more than that is just another self induction, auto-hypnosis, which is another attachment again.
Schizophrenia hear someone talking in their heads and believe they are devils. Those who practice mindfulness experience the same things but know that those are just their thoughts (or unconscious mind). So, seeing has to be in the proper way, too.
Anyway, when it comes to a believe, it's the hardest stuff in the world to deal with. People even have killed people because of the different believe (religion wars etc.). Some friends became enimies just because they believed in the different politicians. etc.
If it was not you (who I trust) who posted this post, I would not dare to share my thought here. Safety first. hahaha     

[mojomojo]

Hi Donq,
I know you have always taken your spirituality very seriously, my friend, that is one of the reasons I hold you in such high respect.
I have never shared this before, and it doesn't compare with your devotion, but, at one stage in my life, I took five years off, to devote myself to spiritual practise full time,
I wanted to see if there was any truth in it, where it would lead me, I had accumulated enough savings to provide the basics, and lived not a secluded life, but maybe semi- secluded.

I tried to approach spirituality from every angle, taking nothing for granted, and even looked into the control aspect of it.
You made me laugh when you mentioned hypnosis, this also was a pert of the control aspect.
Meditation, prayer and mantra's, all hold a certain aspect of self hypnosis.
Mild self hypnosis, gives one a sense of well being, relaxation and leaves one open, more ready to accept what is been offered.
Professional sales staff, use a form of hypnosis in their endeavour to sell, mild hypnosis, can be induced by varying speech patterns.
I may have said this before, and people do not like to hear it, but we humans are highly programmable.

I understand fully, what you say as regards, if we believe in it, it will manifest, thought becomes reality, but at the same time, all is illusion, there is only the thought.
From my view point, everything is energy, even thought, when we have a thought, that energy doesn't disappear, but hangs around and is attracted to other energies of the same vibratory pattern, I think these have been called elementals, but don't quote me on that.
These elementals can attach to human energy fields, who due to life situation vibrate at the same level, and experience suggests entities can do the same.

I have been aware of these things before, through reading, but never really believed in them, it just seemed too far out.
But my experience at the practioneer course, has forced me to consider otherwise, not only was it my experience, but my wife's as well, and she had no prior knowledge of such things.
In shamanism, all down through the ages, it is part of there job to remove such things, Christianity is full of such accounts.

People will tell you, these things only exist in the minds of fearful men, yet they believe it can enter a child who experiences extreme loneliness, anyone intoxicated on alcohol or drugs is wide open ( puts a new meaning on the words, out of it. ), entry through sexual intercourse, both base chakra's together, under anaesthetic, or out of the body (astral travel).
Whether, we want to believe it or not, when we meditate or use reiki, we have opened ourselves right up.
If these things did not exist, why do the vast majority of people who engage in spiritual practises always use protection, what is it they are protecting themselves from.

I can fully agree with the principle, these things are attracted by fear, but have a hard time accepting, that there is not some level of fear in everyone,
and if this is to be true, then only those who have done their inner work to the extreme and are completely free of fear and ego, should walk a spiritual path.
But this in itself falls down, if there is desire for something, it comes from the mind, ego, then we are on the wrong foot straight away.
Is that in itself a clue, if it is to happen, it will, by having a desire, we are prone to walk the wrong direction from the start.

In my research of spirituality and psychology, I came across this snippet, " man craves one thing more than anything, even more than food and water, and that is the desire to feel important."
If that is embedded in our psyche, is anyone fit to take a spiritual step, because it is a very rare occurrence, that man looks at himself, and is honest with what he is.

At the moment, Donq, I'am not sure where I stand with all this,
But the playing field has changed,
May need time out for a while.



God bless, Donq,

Robert.

[baangus]

May 30, 2016 11:42:02 GMT mojomojo said:

How do they gain access?

Believe it or not they have to be invited, where you have had enough of life and claim you want out, a hole or tear in your energy field

Hi again. This is an example of why I choose to see myself as the source. That way there's nothing I need to spend time wondering about. I recognize myself as the instigator, and understand myself to be my own savior. I don't have to ask what it is. I know what it is: Me. I don't have to ask how it/they got in, I know how: Me. And I don't have to wonder how to resolve it. I resolve it by examining myself. And now it's just a matter of initiating the exploration and healing process. Plus now I'm already half-way there: I've consciously identified the source of the issue, and therefore have already put a stop to the unconsciousness influence it was having on me.

Call it self-sufficient soul healing and growth. There is nothing of an external nature that I'm required to believe in, or must call upon in order to resolve whatever soul disturbance or inner conflict I'm having.