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Post by gruntal on Jan 10, 2016 18:32:24 GMT
I confess I don't read much in the way of spiritual stuff anymore. I attend local meetings and consider myself a novitiate in a Brotherhood. It isn't so much I fear getting confused as it is I have all I can handle now. But I do find it interesting to confront the others and compare things. Not so much different beliefs as different methods of learning and enlightenment.
One of the things that strikes me is that taken to it's ultimate conclusion formal education is almost invariably second hand knowledge. Oh it is good to study and research and then give your little opinion on what you have learned. I admit that is a bit of a cynical way to treat a Doctoral Thesis. But first hand knowledge is vary rare. Even more so in the wonderful world of spirituality. Who can claim to have actually spoken to a Master or even an Angel?
Most of the people that lecture around here are very - almost incredibly - "sensitive". If they seem eccentric in their beliefs it it only because they reached out for the truth way beyond normal means. That such a thing would even be possible is nothing I was taught in school; Sunday school or otherwise. It mocks objectivity. It also begs the biggest challenge: how do you know what is the truth? In this regard the neophyte is on equal terms with the oldest of sages. Because all of us are just straining to hear and see from what we consider the "Source".
And the "Source" is not in the publishing business ....
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sparklekaz
Someone asked me.. What is your religion? I said, "All the paths that lead to the light".
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Post by sparklekaz on Jan 10, 2016 18:53:17 GMT
Hi George, I understand what you mean totally. So much of what we learn is handed down to us by role models and teachers. But then experience as the saying goes gives us the test first and the lesson afterwards. Which is a pretty crazy way to learn anything isn't it, if you think about it.  We've spoken on another thread about whether or not we need teachers. I also find secret societes and brotherhoods irksome. The whole secrecy thing. I can't help but believe that keeping stuff secret, is why so much important esoteric information has gotten lost over time. And saying it's to keep it from falling into the wrong hands doesn't reassure me. Because its usually only a few who have the means and the knowledge to gain entry. Trying not to sound judgemental, but I can't help but associate secret societes with being a little bit elitist, which denotes that only those from the right background are admitted. But maybe that's because I'm just envious I don't belong to one lol. Seriously though, I do have a problem with someone else deciding what I'm 'ready to know or not'. Surely if someone is seeking, that in itself shows they are ready? And if they are not ready, whatever they hear will not resonate and simply go over their heads. No harm done. I really enjoy reading Paulo Coehlo's books; probably because he uses his stories in a semi biographical/fictional way to share his own spiritual journeys and musings. A bit like modern day parables that help to teach people how to recognize simple spiritual truths in every day occurences. Be they syncronistic meetings or through our relationships. And the many different ways in which some come to their spiritual awakening. If you think about it, 'everything' we experience in life. What we see, hear and feel could be used, or taken as signs from spirit/universe to help us find our way. You say, "the source isn't in the publishing business". But if that's the case, what about all the spiritual books we read? From Brian Weiss, Michael Newton to Deepak Chopra and Eckhart Tolle? And that's not forgetting the Quran, Bhagavad Gita and other holy books. Some might say that many of these are just the thoughts of the authors, but who/what is behind the thoughts? What do you think? Love and light Kaz |
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mojomojo
Go deep enough, and there is a bedrock of truth, however hard.
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Post by mojomojo on Jan 10, 2016 19:25:40 GMT
At times I wish I could pack it all in, pretend it was a phase, act like none of it ever happened, just be like everyone else and concentrate on survival and self.
The years and years of study, meditation, for what, in seriousness, has it improved anyone's life, to climb the spiritual ladder, now aware of the demons that cling to people, doesn't make the picture any more pleasant.
Second hand knowledge, debated, agreed on and verbalised some more, but convinced of our own real truth, that comes seldom if ever, authentic by the fact, if positive must be from the proper source, but all visuals stem from the mind.
Yes, at times I wish I could walk away, but certain experiences cannot be denied or forgotten, therefore it cannot be put down,
free will, seriously
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sparklekaz
Someone asked me.. What is your religion? I said, "All the paths that lead to the light".
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Post by sparklekaz on Jan 10, 2016 19:39:03 GMT
Hi Robert, I hear you and can really relate to what your saying. I've felt the same way, many times. Walking a spiritual path is definitely not what some people say, an airy fairy new age trip. If only. lol I'd love to stay blissful in my love and light bubble. But the truth is, it's anything but a soft escapism option. It's tough. Self growth is about laying yourself bare; it hurts, it's bloody and it's not for the faint hearted. And whether it's co-incidental or not, many I've spoken to who are drawn in the same way, seem to have experienced a lifetime of painful experiences. Which we are led to believe is to help our spiritual growth, and that if we were not strong enough and if it were not our calling then we would not have those experiences. But when your in it, it doesn't feel special and you don't feel strong. But, having said all that, as I look back, and I ask you to do the same, can't you see how you've changed and grown? And if you can see that, you will also see that it is only going to continue until your light shines through so brightly and you sparkle. And as for packing it in, how can you stop being something you are, As natural as breathing, right down to the tips of your toes. A spiritual seeker Love and light Kaz |
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Post by gruntal on Jan 10, 2016 20:34:40 GMT
"It is suggested" there are Karmic groups and if so then progress would be measured as a group effort. That extends to concepts vary profound I can not elaborate on for now. Who can define a family? Should such a concept even exist versus Universal Brotherhood?
I did ask how I would find my group in next life times and I did not get a specific answer. But I was told it was inevitable if I wished it to be so. So there is a purpose in books and magazines and places such as this. Just don't forget it serves a higher purpose most will not understand.
That is your birthright ....
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Post by alcinious on Jan 11, 2016 2:37:27 GMT
Yea I agree that there are times when I wish I could go back and live as the old me before I felt all this. Where my world made sense and I was ignorant. Where smoking weed, drinking, party's and sensual pleasures where all I was looking for. Now I'm seeking truth buried in ancient texts mistranslated and some not complete. Listening to modern day mystics that tell you a bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense. Watching and reading other people's experiences hoping for my own. Trying to detach myself from everything while being completely immersed in it.
Giving up all the desires that were only destroying my body and mind. Seeking music and entertainment that isn't filled with hate, greed,lust and lies. Loving people deeply not because of something I was told but because I feel it deep down. Seeing people smile and knowing there day was happier after we spoke. Spreading the knowledge of the things I've read when they come up in conversation. Wanting to be a light in a world that needs it.
Wait I think I like the new me...
As far as finding the truth well one day I'll find it. In the mean time I'm listening to everyone and leaving no rock unturned.
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