What Are We

[sparklekaz]

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was a visionary French Jesuit, paleontologist, biologist, and philosopher, who spent the bulk of his life trying to integrate religious experience with natural science, most specifically Christian theology with theories of evolution. His most famous quote is "We are not physical beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a physical experience.” I have always loved this quote and before reading it, had never thought about myself, in this way or from this perspective. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Do you agree with him, or do you believe something else. Can you explain/share, why you feel/believe as you do?

[tribunalofmercy]

I do agree - I believe we are spiritual beings having a physical experience. Of course, I see Everything in this dimension/reality as a physical manifestation of a Higher Truth - including ourselves - all pieces of the puzzle, created and designed to Better us as we gain understanding of the Purpose of each fractured manifestation and it's connection and relevance to everything Else.

...and I better leave it at That. lol Good question, Kaz -

[gruntal]

Due to fraternal vows there is a limit to what information I can divulge; it can be considered personal or it can be considered generic for teaching purposes. The Cosmos does respect your privacy and expects you to do the same. But the questions that I get to ask - just for my own understanding of the subject - on the question in general always indicates it is rooted in Karma. Always.  Everything. That is what I have been taught. That is a hard concept to realize without making one secretive or paranoid. Or looking for esoteric hidden meanings in everything I touch.

At one level that takes all the fun out of life because nothing we have is actually real. Nothing. It is all imagination. But at another level it follows everything is a construct defined by what happens. Everything. If it is standing still it is impossible to know or realize. Only when it moves or changes can we notice it. It therefore follows we must move or change too to experience anything.

How can movement be real or physical? I do not see how but I can experience it when I hit a brick wall. But it was the movement that caused the unpleasant sensation. So I guess you could say we are all just spiritual beings doing our dance of realization.  If we all stopped dancing then everything would just disappear and  there would be nothing left.  

For better or worst as I understand that is never going to happen.  

[aceofcups]

HI Kaz..

Through meditation and esoteric study the statement seems a total truth to me and my understanding.

I came across the quote many years ago and very similar statements within Theosophical teaching written more than a 100 years ago. And these same ideas where part of Upanishads and other Hindu teaching and esoteric teaching in many other schools also thought out history.

If one accepts it along with the idea that we are multidimensional beings and that life exists from Spiritual to the Material and not the other way around. If can certainly put scientific and spiritual ideas into a new light. That the Physical Universe is but one of many byproducts of Universal Consciousness. And is never the originator or really the cause but instead the end results.


peace
aceofcups

[lionl]

My own thoughts about who/what we are go something like this (but they are not set in stone and are subject to change) -

We are all parts of the one consciousness, the mind of the universe if you like. I see my being as that mind turning its attention to this part of itself (me) for a while (the duration of my lifetime), like a person turning their attention to a part of their body for a moment. After I am dead the mind will turn its attention elsewhere - maybe to the life of a dinosaur millions of years ago; maybe on a mosquito far into the future, or maybe on an alien life-form in another galaxy. The possibilities are almost endless. How many forms of consciousness have existed, exist now, and will exist in the future throughout the billions of galaxies? I think that each one of them (even you) and I are parts of the one great consciousness.

[cyberangel]

What lionl said really resonated with me...but where I differ is I dont see it as different 'forms' of consciousness... but as different levels of consciousness

[alvinw3]

We are Soul with a mental, and casual and astral, and physical body, Soul is multable dementional

[Ishtahota]

So this is a world free-will and choice?

According to the Christian beliefs we are in a grace period?

What I know from personal experience is that all knowledge is already inside of us, or at least the access to that knowledge is inside of us all!

So what are we?

Humm, seems pretty clear to me that if we have all knowledge and no experience that we will have a longing and hesitation when we get to the higher realms.

So what could we be here for? Could it be to experience for ourselves all of the many things that do not or will not work. To have these experiences, ever which way for ourselves, so that we will more than know?

[mojomojo]

We are spirit, having a human experience,
I believe our objective here, was to experience and expand, to grow in awareness,
I believe those in the know, are on the leading edge,
Where we go from knowing, to true knowledge of experiencing that in manifestation.
If all the great masters of past, have told us it is possible,
We must assume it is attainable.
The eons of theory class, must now give way, to the practical application of the knowledge.
I believe, now is the time we move from philosophers of the esoteric, to co-creators of our own destiny, and indeed the world.
I believe debate and discussion, will give way to experienced, accounts.
I believe we are on the cusp of a new world,
Built from joy, happiness and love,
And, I believe it came to pass,
Because we THOUGHT it so.

We are a vital link, in the all.

Happy New Year, everyone.
Robert.

[chris86]

This question made me think of a film i watched a few months back, it was called (the giver), the film is about a boy that has a chance to go through an experiment that will make him remember things and piece them together, the film in the begining is black and white, and as things start to make sense, the film becomes slowly colourfull, certain objects and people are in colour, example would be the hair on a girl in one scene, this happens because the boy is falling in love with her, and he notices her hair is colourfull, towards the end of the film, everything is colourfull, no help from the council in this film, they gave them injections, but the boy was skipping injections and started to feel and see differently, this is where he found out about right and wrong, he knew what felt right or wrong, and his teacher was happy with the experiment, allthough the council where not happy, they knew the boy was skipping injection and told the girl to skip them too. She began to feel love,
This raises the question,,
Are we sentient beings?
Are we truly ourselves due to knowing the difference between right and wrong,
This would explain why i would not feel like my true self, when i am in doubt.

[Barry]

After reading all the reply's on here, I get the usual sense that we think to much and believe that the answers to the mystery's of the universe and our lives in it, are wrapped up in some grand intellectual theory that can only be fathomed out by those with superior intellectual powers, God save us form academics

The truth about God and the universe does not exist within the intellect, it exists for all to explore in the silence that our ego selves will not allow us to explore

The language of God is silence and when we finally have the courage to stop trying to understand everything and let silence become our teacher, it is then and only then that we shall find the true purpose of our lives and fully understand the universe and it purpose for us

You need not leave your room. remain sitting at your table and listen
You need not even wait, just learn to become quite and still and solitary
The world will freely offer it self to you and be unmasked, it has no choice
It will role in ecstasy at your feet

The intellect hates and fears the silence, rendering us impotent as to find the truth about ourselves and the universe, God made everything simple but we make everything complected


Barry

[cyberangel]

Hi Barry

I liked when you said:

" The language of God is silence and when we finally have the courage to stop trying to understand everything and let silence become our teacher, it is then and only then that we shall find the true purpose of our lives and fully understand the universe and it purpose for us

You need not leave your room. remain sitting at your table and listen
You need not even wait, just learn to become quite and still and solitary
The world will freely offer it self to you and be unmasked, it has no choice
It will role in ecstasy at your feet "

What I would like to add, as a simple and non academic mind, is that although I personally don't understand all studies and theories, I try not fall onto 'my own' ego's sword!

I think as much as we need silence...we also need challenges and questions in order to grow and evolve. God made us all with different abilities, and just because we fail to understand or agree, does not mean one path is the same for all. Each must discover their own way, be it through academic study or simplifying their journey.

While its important to be discerning one must be careful not to become judgemental We all arrive at the same distaination, how and what mode we choose to travel is up to us

Love and Light

[chris86]

We are spiritual beings experiancing a human experiance, though it may seem the other way round, bruce lee once said, "when water is poured into a teapot, it becomes the teapot" 

[Bartholomew]

Nov 21, 2014 15:15:35 GMT tribunalofmercy said:

I do agree - I believe we are spiritual beings having a physical experience. Of course, I see Everything in this dimension/reality as a physical manifestation of a Higher Truth - including ourselves - all pieces of the puzzle, created and designed to Better us as we gain understanding of the Purpose of each fractured manifestation and it's connection and relevance to everything Else.

...and I better leave it at That. lol Good question, Kaz -

I agree especially with the two words, connection and relevance. 

[Bartholomew]

Nov 21, 2014 14:05:05 GMT sparklekaz said:

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was a visionary French Jesuit, paleontologist, biologist, and philosopher, who spent the bulk of his life trying to integrate religious experience with natural science, most specifically Christian theology with theories of evolution. His most famous quote is "We are not physical beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a physical experience.” I have always loved this quote and before reading it, had never thought about myself, in this way or from this perspective. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Do you agree with him, or do you believe something else. Can you explain/share, why you feel/believe as you do?

I agree. We are souls that use physical bodies/personalities, thousands of them, for the purpose of gaining experience and thus wisdom which, when we have completed the required cycle, will be put to good use.

[stardust]

Yes I believe that. The singing group Train did a song with the words "we are spirits in a material world," and that is so true in my opinion. I think planet Earth is a learning experience. And I feel before we are born, we sign a contract of what we are going to do in this lifetime. And what we don't accomplish will be added to our next existence. So it is important to face our life lessons this time around. I do astrological charts, and my chart says I am to give service, asking for nothing in return, and get over my fears. At an early age, before I even knew about astrological charts, I felt I wanted to help people. It was very strong in me. And if someone needs my help, I am to "offer it up for the Glory of God," and that too is true for me. Recently I wrote a book and am now self-publishing. It will cost a bit of money to do this, and I am far from rich, but it is about my dog, and I am going to use it to help the abused and unwanted animals (proceeds go to them). So I know it will be a success. Please, I hope I don't appear to be bragging! I am just giving it to you as an example. THX for letting me share!!

[stardust]

Also, this brings to mind, what came first, the chicken or the egg. Or, which is more real, the chair or the thought of the chair. And isn't it ironic, we build materially our whole life, only to die and not be able to take it with us.

[alvinw333]

I found out what came first. The Holy Spirit planted the cosmic eges on earth and many life forms came to be, was writen in the Shrityat ki Sugmad, meaning The way of the Eternal, then He sent Souls to these life forms to kep them alive

[alvinw333]

So yes we are Soul in a phisical, astral,casual,mental, body. Without Soul the body woupd not live

[mojomojo]

I believe we are souls, having a human experience, but also potentially, so much more than that.
Earth has often been referred to as a school, where we come to learn, the general consensus being to remember we are a part of God and to return to that.
That has never sat right with me, it seems pointless to come from God, throw in a bit of amnesia, once we figure out who we are, learn a few lessons and return back to the same place.
If we consider the fact we are down here to learn, that we are trainees, all enlightened beings have been called masters, masters of what, masters of the mind, masters of life.
If our thoughts create our reality, then mastering our thoughts masters our reality, so we can consciously create our world.
We are often referred to as drops of the ocean, but not the ocean itself, and that would be true, if we were severed from the source, but we are not, we never can be.
A better analogy, perhaps, would be to consider our selves as waves, yes we ride on the top of the ocean, and yes, we have a separate identity, but yet we are still very much part of and powered by the ocean itself.
I believe we are here to realise who we are and to run with that, and our purpose here is to create and expand, we do it all the time, but unfortunately not consciously and thus not with favourable outcomes, we need to learn not to let our outer reality dictate how we feel and think, but to know that our outer reality is created by ourselves within.
Life is magical, and we are all magicians.

[alvinw333]

We are Soul in a physical body. I read in the ECK bible like you said, that we are a drop from the ocean of love and mercy (Soul). I experanced Soul Travel. And Astral projection, before I was on a spiritual path, knowing the proof of Soul, giving me thoughts of all the possibilitys of reincsrnation, that Soul lives forever and etc, and one dies, her or she isent realy dead

[alvinw333]

It said in the Eck bible that when Souls were created they played in Gods kingdom not giving to each other, and all the Souls did not have indivdguality, they were all the same, so God closed His eyes and sleep, and dreamed to solve this problem, to muture Soul and to give it sepret identy from others. So it created all this stuff to do just that. This gave me a diferent out look about a loving God, insted of a God we should fear