mojomojo
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Mar 28, 2015 11:03:20 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 28, 2015 11:03:20 GMT
What is truth? Can we ever understand or know truth, is truth purely subjective. Given, where we were born, what religion our parents were, the collective psyche of generations past, society, all have their influences. Are we the sum total of our past experiences. Even in meditation, if we move beyond the mind and connect with guides, spirit, etc, how do we know who we talk to, can anyone say with absolute truth, who they talk with. Follow your heart, would that not also be influenced by the above. Can we ever know truth, or can we just know our truth, can our truth ever truly be considered, truth.
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cyberangel
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Mar 28, 2015 11:24:15 GMT
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Post by cyberangel on Mar 28, 2015 11:24:15 GMT
Hi Robert Interesting post Thank you I think there is a difference between truth and belief. Truth can be proven by science etc but 'personal' truth is a belief. A lot of what you jave said would fall into a belief rather than truth, if that makes sense. When one experiences spirit guides Angels etc, one can only go on their own 'belief' of what 'feels' true to them, and so it becomes a personal truth based on their belief...whereas, if others experience the exact same experience then it could be perceived as a 'common' truth. Just my thoughts on it Love and Light
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mojomojo
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Mar 28, 2015 11:45:25 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 28, 2015 11:45:25 GMT
Hi Lorraine, Belief, an acceptance of something to be true, without proof.
The penny drops.
Should I have replaced the word truth with proof.
May, I ask Lorraine, I presume you come from a Christian background, excuse me if I'am wrong, but do you ever have inner conflicts with the teachings of Christianity and spiritualism. Totally at your discretion if you want to answer, Many thanks, Robert.
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cyberangel
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Mar 28, 2015 12:08:26 GMT
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Post by cyberangel on Mar 28, 2015 12:08:26 GMT
Hi Robert
Yes you are corrwct I was raised a roman catholic and yes I do have inner conflicts with what I was conditoned to believe and what I actually believe.
I guess I have reached a stage where I am not afraid to challenge or question without guilt the catholic teachings.
I guess rightly or wrongly I would class myself a pick and mix of all beliefs and I am comfortable with that.
I cant say 100% I am no longer a catholic because I do believe in some of the sarcrements...I love the religious rituals of the faith but have major questions aboit some of the doctrines. ..if that makes sense.
I dont feel compelled to attend mass but I love to visit the church. But where I used to feel guilty about my doubts or questions I no longer do...if that makes sense.
I dont believe in pigeonholing people into a religious or non religious role. I take each person as I find them regardless of their beliefs/non beliefs. I just see a soul like myself travelling the path before them...and I am certainly no authority to say what is right or wrong...all I know is what feels right or wrong for me and I let that be my guide.
Love and Light
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Mar 28, 2015 13:41:31 GMT
Post by tribunalofmercy on Mar 28, 2015 13:41:31 GMT
Hey Robert You know, I truly believe 'them' when they say this was neither originally intended, nor ideal - for people to 'grow up' so fast this way. With all this 'knowledge' in such a short time. This is part of why I say, in a couple of posts, that I move back and forth between being a 'child' and more mature...because it's not so Easy to put something as basic and a strongly ingrained, like my Christian background, into a different perspective. Lorraine is right, of course, in that the things you are shown and told must Resonate with you, inside...you'll know, and I Know you know. I believe even 'that' is not Complete Truth, on its own, but it is Our only way of identifying what is best for us. There are so Many things I wish to say, but I guess this is okay
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Post by Bartholomew on Mar 28, 2015 14:04:31 GMT
What is truth? Can we ever understand or know truth, is truth purely subjective. Given, where we were born, what religion our parents were, the collective psyche of generations past, society, all have their influences. Are we the sum total of our past experiences. Even in meditation, if we move beyond the mind and connect with guides, spirit, etc, how do we know who we talk to, can anyone say with absolute truth, who they talk with. Follow your heart, would that not also be influenced by the above. Can we ever know truth, or can we just know our truth, can our truth ever truly be considered, truth. The key to understanding truth is downstream of the realization of it's fluidity. Here on the physical plane of existence, using our concrete, analytic, rational minds we tend to think in terms of absolutes. But truths are variable. As we go through life they change directly with our abilities to perceive. The measures of these, the tabulations of the greater, are the small realizations that we gather during our lives. At some later time we will see all of this as a whole. When this happens we will have learned. I believe the impulse behind this post is a changing landscape which, in turn, is due to the realization, the acquisition, of a higher truth. We live in a dynamic of spiritual growth within which everything is in continual states of change. If this were not the case, if we were not a part of it, we would never question or wonder about "truths". Truth is only absolute in a static world. In a dynamic world it changes all the time. Blessings to us all...
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mojomojo
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Post by mojomojo on Mar 28, 2015 14:14:09 GMT
Hi all, Thank you for your replies, Yes, I would consider myself a complete mishmash, to the extent I don't even consider it religion, just what I accept, But every now and then that old Christian voice will whisper, "what if they were right," It took me a long time, to accept people as souls, therefore doing exactly as they should, for where they were on their path. Which reminds me of a passage, by Ben Okri, called The Famished Road.
In the beginning there was a river. The river became a road and the road branched out to the whole world. And because the road was once a river, it was always hungry. In that land of blessings spirits mingled with the unborn. We could assume numerous forms. Many of us were birds. We knew no boundaries. There was much feasting, playing and sorrowing. We feasted much because of the beautiful terrors of eternity. We played much because we were free. And we sorrowed much because there were always those amongst us, who had just returned from the world of the living. They had returned inconsolable for all the love they had left behind, all the suffering they hadn't redeemed, all that they hadn't understood, and for all that they had barely begun to learn, before they were drawn back to the land of origins.
There was not one amongst us, who looked forward to been born. We disliked the rigours of existence, the unfulfilled longings, the enshrined injustices of the world, the labyrinths of love, the ignorance of parents, the fact of dying, and the amazing indifference of the living in the midst of the simple beauties of the universe. We feared the heartlessness of human beings, all of whom are born blind, few of whom ever learn to see.
Those of us who lingered in the world, seduced by the annunciation of wonderful events, went through life with beautiful and fated eyes, carrying within us the music of a lovely and tragic mythology. Our mouths utter obscure prophecies. Our minds are invaded by images of the future. We are the strange ones, with half our beings always in the spirit world.
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Post by tribunalofmercy on Mar 28, 2015 14:21:23 GMT
I do like what Bartholomew said, even if it is an Example of our learning to properly Interpret what he said (get used to fluid information, lol) When I was a very small child my parents and I went to visit my sisters at college some distance away. We were driving with the windows down and I smelled this Very bad smell; I asked Dad what it was and he said, "That's a plant, honey." Um, great - but what I remember imagining, was this Realllly tall milkweed-looking plant that just Stank. Only much later did I learn what he Meant, was a factory. In other words, some misinterpretation of things is just going to Happen as we grow to Understand what is being shared with us. One further thought: There is something to be said for our Own understanding of 'things that resonate', as we Aim for a higher state of mind. For a basic example, my Dad smoked and I am genetically predisposed to smoking. Like, an inherited Tendency and I can explain that but no reason to do so here (his family all drank but I have No inherited tendency to that, thankfully). So the Idea of smoking, even the Feeling of smoking, came naturally to me and some might understand the level of "comfort" that I experienced with it, as something that 'resonated' with me (whereas drinking was something I Never got into because it didn't "feel right"). This is what Some may be able to recognize as a "resonating" experience, aside from our ego-knowledge of it's detriment to health (but you Do see it is something that is not helpful to us, right? ) Point is, when I am in a state of Higher Consciousness (it can last for a while sometimes) I have had NO desire to smoke, for the resonation I felt came from a lower state of mind...in higher consciousness there is no longer an Issue. Sometimes all this information gets piled up and we become Confused as to what is truth, what is not, what is useful, what is not....but I have become more convinced over time, that when we Seek First the Spiritual Things, reaching for what we Know will bring us clarity, all else moves into proper perspective.
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mojomojo
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Mar 28, 2015 16:09:50 GMT
Post by mojomojo on Mar 28, 2015 16:09:50 GMT
Hi Mary Anne, Haven't heard from you for a while, Very eloquently explained, Which reminds me of Donq, I do hope, he is doing ok.
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