Are we still asleep.

[mojomojo]

When you get up in the morning and look at the world, what do you see?
Is your world full of joy and happiness, even when considering the bigger picture.
People tell us, that for every negative news broadcast, there are thousands of good actions performed throughout the world, 
how do they know that.
Why is the news always negative, because negativity sells, do we like to be scared, do we like fear.
Why do people want us to be in a state of fear, and who are these people.
If any sane person was to look at the world, they could only conclude, it was run by madmen.
The day the twin towers fell, I watched it on television, not having any knowledge of construction or engineering or demolition, but the first thought that came into my head, " that fell the very same way, as a demolition job."
Wars for profit, blamed on terrorism, a property crisis created in many countries, all at the same time, high profile celebrities on charges of sexual abuse, the list goes on.
The vast majority of the worlds wealth controlled by a few powerful families.
Do the conspiracy theorists have it right.
In revelations, it talks of the mark of the beast, on the back of the right hand or the forehead,
can you see a time when currency will be no more, and a micro chip used instead, wonder where they will put it.
Is the world controlled by the few, are we sitting on the tail of a monster,
Is the New World Order up and running, is this part of what we are meant to wake up to.

I would love to hear your views on the above, or anything connected to it,
thank you, in advance,


Robert.

[Ishtahota]

The mark of the beast has to do with making people just a number. When people are just numbers on a computer it is much easier to move them around without much concern, empathy, or even love.

As far as being awake goes, you may be speaking of a kind of being awake, but I think of it differently. To be aware of what is going on around you is one kind of being awake, but there is another kind of being awake that is more important and it will bring real and lasting change when we start to become this kind of awakened. The kind of awakened that I have experienced connects me so fully that no one can lie to me without me knowing it. People,s true intent is written on their face. If I want to know how someone is doing I just think about them and this connection happens and I know everything and I also feel what they are feeling. If I hurt someone I feel it as if it were being done to me, weather it be hurtful words, or physical actions. When the Spirits pop me open and I stand in the awakened state of consciousness, it sort feels like being on LSD, or Ecstasy, the change in my consciousness is that drastic.

The day is coming when we will reach a critical mass and this awakened state will be forced on us all. Who will push a button that kills hundreds when they will feel each death as if it were their own? Who will vote for a politician who's true intent is to support the one percent and not the needs of the people. Who will buy the products of people who put money and their own needs first, over their workers or the enviroment.

There is also another part of the prophecy that people do not understand. Being fully awakened is more then some people can handle. People do not really know how drastic a change in their consciousness is going to be, or even the real truth that is going to be in their face about themselves. The prophecies also state that people will be jumping off of cliffs and dashing themselves against the rocks, mothers will be killing their own children. There is a vial that the mystics speak of that we all must cross to be fully awakened. When they awakened me the first time I had to cross this vial and it was made up of all of my fears that I had created all of my life. Some have a hard time with this crossing and some just dance right across with ease.

[mojomojo]

Thank you for your reply,
Ishtahota,
I fully understand the awakening you speak of, not that I have experienced it,
But do you feel we will hit critical mass in time,
It does feel like a two horse race,
Does man destroy himself, push the button, or do we hit critical mass,
Or have we reached a stage where divine intervention is needed.

[Ishtahota]

Someone coming to save us was a lie that was told to us to keep us down and under control of others. This is a world of free will and choice. It is also a world where we have to face the consequences of our actions. We messed up this world and our lives up. We are going to have to wake and fix things ourselves or suffer the consequences. The one thing that the powers that be do not want us to realize, is that we are the ones that we have been waiting on.

There have been times when they popped me open and I got the sence that we are in the right place at the right time and things are moving along as they have always been planned.

[tribunalofmercy]

Do we recognize how our thoughts about any particular thing change, with perspective? Liam Neesan, in Star Wars, is quoted as saying, “Your focus determines your reality” – I wonder if a better phrase might be, “Our focus determines our View of reality.” Because like the molecule and the atoms, both are Moving but the molecule is observed to be a constant, while the atoms experience change….

Monty started a thread that mentioned reverse psychology in Spiritual Questions and it reminds me that, just like little Milton, there are those who might Manipulate (or try to) how we Perceive our reality (going into the barn, or away from it) to their own purpose, but the Fact of the barn, and being outside or inside of it, is not what changes…only how we are seeing it, Thinking about it.

There are those who would keep us Distracted, by whatever means we are most vulnerable. And the fact that we are Waking Up gives more reason, perhaps, for players to get involved who want us to Focus in one direction or another? Whether we believe there is good and evil, or just relative states of each, it is not so hard to imagine that there are those who would Want more of one, or the other. And use every available Strategy to pull us toward the one or the other.


Ishtahota talks about an inner Knowing, the one that keeps us aware of when we are being lied to or not…this, I believe personally, is not achieved without our own efforts to become and Remain close to our inner voice, because how can we be Sure of something or someone we know only a little? Any scripture or teaching will talk about a Deceiver, one who sounds Similar to truth but changes just enough to make a Complete lie ( If ‘the devil’ were a human, would he be a lawyer? lol)

(Maybe we think Red Riding Hood was probably okay to pick a few flowers – good intentions and all that – but everything was so Interesting, and she stopped paying Attention; she got so far off the path she could no longer look over her shoulder and See where the way to Gramma’s house was; it was All just ‘pretty flowers’, and Then which way was right?)


Um, in our hearts we need to be Aware of what is happening in the world, Robert, and I have No doubt. And consider our Part to play, whether it is meditative contemplation, or speaking out; whether and how much to change Everything about our lives to be part of the Solution instead of continuing to be part of the problem. I have to be careful with my own sharing of thoughts…. Like Ishtahota mentioned, sometimes talking about it directly is frightening to people who are not Ready for the conversation. Also I believe we are All better for focusing on the positive, staying in Tune with ourselves, because it is like ‘eating our wheaties’ cereal so we will be strong enough for whatever comes.


We are called toward the author of All Love, and perfect love casts out fear…if only we will Hear. “God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.” – Psalm 46

[mojomojo]

That was very insightful Ishtahota,
I do hope you are right, I thank you for your willingness to talk of the not so positive side of spirituality.
When you speak of this vial that must be crossed, this happened after you were awakened.
I have heard of people been messed up, for want of a better word, after awakening, and this can last for years,
Is this what you speak of, or where these people just not ready.
It seems for some awakening can be a serious ordeal,
Why are we so willing to go through this,
Is it, we don't know what's ahead of us.

[mojomojo]

Hello Mary Anne,
Yes, I understand totally, about remaining positive, and I do apologise to anyone who has read this post and found it unsettling.
But Ishtahota mentioned, trials, as such that he had to go through on awakening,
I, in my innocence, thought that was what we were going through on a daily basis in life,
Have you gone through the same, if you wish to divulge, I would love to hear more about it.
Yes, the more I think about the original post, the more I realise some people just would not want to hear it,
Again, sorry if anyone has been upset.

[gruntal]

There is always someone, at any time and place, who seems to understand or are not afraid to seek. I have found it almost useless to discuss this with the majority. It is not that I am one of the "elite" but that I was willing to accept the truth. Slightly. Alas it is an ongoing project. In between salvation and enlightenment I also need to learn how to have fun.

The truth is rather hard to describe and it can be very scary. I have been told I made some discoveries centuries ago that would be dangerous or embarrassing to reveal; and yet things only a few moments past can make me flinch. So I am trying to forget or cover up as fast as I am trying to remember or reveal ....

Life is always a trade off.

What would you do if you were awake? You could get up and be mobile and experience and effect your world in ways far beyond a lucid dream. If only you knew how. In the mean time we don't lack any culprits for our plight. It is obvious whose fault it is. Until you seek out that certain person or group you always wanted to be with. You will learn things but at what price? The perpetual ( at times) admonition is "you are not ready for that yet". Assuming you even dared to ask the question first.

If only we knew how. And what then ?!

[tribunalofmercy]

heh...uh, no Robert - actually I was thinking of my thread from earlier rather than your words, in my concern for being candid about things....where is the balance? I do not always know. I don't think it's innocent or naive to believe it's what we are going through on a daily basis - after all, how might we even feel a Need to struggle against the current unless we become Aware that we are in the water? So to speak.

I suppose it depends on "which current" we are aware of, at any point in our personal evolution, as to whether we Need to "go with the flow" or struggle Against where we are headed...there are more waters than just one-dimensional thinking. The words of the Serenity Prayer come to mind..."Grant me the serenity to accept what cannot be changed, the courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know the difference."


Ishtahota, I continue to admire your purpose and Commitment to what you seek, in your daily life.

George, you have such a way of expressing things that are So, in our lives - sometimes I am willing to see, and sometimes I am Afraid to see. It's natural, and still it's hard to distinguish between what we Need to see and what we do Not. The child in me would often like to Forget some of what I see, to turn a blind eye only because it Is painful - the 'trade off' is not something we are always ready for. As we transcend our own understanding of what we see it becomes bearable, only because our Understanding of it changes.


We talk about it some...if someone murders a loved one (of mine), the human part of me wants to React, for example. To focus on the Pain of loss, the anger toward the person who committed the act of murder, and I can become Lost in what I see in Front of me. Someone who is a spiritual master may recognize that Both the murderer and the one who was killed are Souls in process; the master has released the feelings of pain and anger in light of Truth, but everyone who is in the Middle of the process - not yet a master but recognizing there is more to see than just pain and anger - still struggles to Understand the ultimate purpose of the suffering of All involved, including ourselves. Not being able to See this truth, we hold on to emotions that create war, desire for vengeance and the wider human reaction of Needing to Control the outcome of such lower situations. Do you see how it happens?


The other morning, in meditation, I had a conversation with One with whom I talk sometimes (I see her as my higher self, perhaps, yet at the end of our conversation I instinctively said, 'Thank you, Mother' - idk why this happens but sometimes it does).....she was trying to show me another Perspective of my path and at one point, she said, "Your path...includes Everything." She knows what I fear, lol - I do not think she was talking only about me, either, but about Everyone, ultimately.

...but these things take Time.

[Ishtahota]

Feb 28, 2015 16:04:35 GMT mojomojo said:

That was very insightful Ishtahota,
I do hope you are right, I thank you for your willingness to talk of the not so positive side of spirituality.
When you speak of this vial that must be crossed, this happened after you were awakened.
I have heard of people been messed up, for want of a better word, after awakening, and this can last for years,
Is this what you speak of, or where these people just not ready.
It seems for some awakening can be a serious ordeal,
Why are we so willing to go through this,
Is it, we don't know what's ahead of us.

There is a part of us that knows all things, and I mean all. At some level we remember what it used to be like before we were born and how it made us feel. We all want to return home, but this home is not place, it is a state of consciouisness. It is this that drives us foward.

The not so preaty side of all of this is what I deal with. Some people can awaken and have a wonderful time. There are others who think that they have awakened, and they are just fooling themselves. And there are others who have brought it on without doing any clearing work. The rush is more then they can handle and they flip out. The people around them do not believe in this stuff and they do not know how to help them and the hospitals and asylems that they are sent to only deal with the symptoms. They do not do this in a good way.

Look at us like a fuse. If a fuse has an impurity in its metal and you put a current across it, it will heat up. To much cerrent and it will blow. The personal clearing work is like getting out the impurities. Our ism's, hatreds, resentments, and the biggest part our fears are these impurities. This energy takes our blinders off and we see real truth, and scariest part of this truth is seeing who we really are, who we have become and what we have done to others. As far as the rush goes, some people just can not handle that drastic a change in their consciousness and some can. It really helps to have a safe place to go and people to talk with that know what is going on. This is the kind of thing my wife and I do with people.

[Ishtahota]

From tribunalofmercy
Ishtahota talks about an inner Knowing, the one that keeps us aware of when we are being lied to or not…this, I believe personally, is not achieved without our own efforts to become and Remain close to our inner voice, because how can we be Sure of something or someone we know only a little? Any scripture or teaching will talk about a Deceiver, one who sounds Similar to truth but changes just enough to make a Complete lie ( If ‘the devil’ were a human, would he be a lawyer? lol)

Read more: spiritualforum.me.uk/thread/5987/asleep?page=1#ixzz3T9VHPG4b

The Christian world could not handle something dark as being part of them. So they call their own ego the Devil.

[mojomojo]

Again, thank you for your reply, Ishtahota,
I would like to think, I have done a lot of my clearing out work, but then I could be fooling myself,
I do get days when a negative experience in my past keeps playing over and over in my mind, maybe I have more issues to deal with.
But then I get periods of quiet mind, often accompanied with a feeling of been stoned, for want of a better word.
Can we experience spiritual highs even when we have basic clearing work to do, or does it peak and dive in accordance with our progress,
And lastly, is it possible for someone to be effected by your energy and be brought along their path.
Again, many thanks,
Robert.

[Ishtahota]

For myself and some others that I have known, Spirit has given us some extraordinary experiences up front just to let us know what we could have if we would just do the work.