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Post by tribunalofmercy on Jan 22, 2015 17:13:57 GMT
It’s great that the first part generated such discussion, because much of the truth of these interactions have already been mentioned So how do we use what we Know about the interactions of energy in everyday life, to connect to Other things and begin to see what’s happening so we can Choose what to do with it? Buddhists and others use mindfulness to discipline thoughts so that one does not Have the ‘clutter’ that would otherwise build up in the mind of those who are not so disciplined. My own guides did not use the word ‘mindfulness’ with me (because they knew I was ignorant? lol) – but they did explain that I needed to become (immediately) aware of Every thought, every emotion, every ‘tendril of energy’ that sought to weave itself into me and hold it at Arm’s Length, recognize it, and make a Conscious decision as to whether I wanted to Allow it to weave into me or not. This has not been easy! Mostly because it has changed my Intent; now if I willingly accept a thought, or an emotion, into myself I am doing it with Awareness, whether it ultimately is a positive or negative in my life! (It seems that Intent changes karma, by the way, but that is Another post.) Utilizing what I call ‘fractal thinking’ becomes a Tool for recognizing when One lesson we have learned is applicable to Another lesson we are presented with. Truly, even life-lessons have their own ‘energy signature’, sort of like a mathematical equation, so a lesson in Patience utilizes different variables to show how the equation Works, but the form and functions remain the same…. …sort of like understanding Reiki symbols to heal. How’s that for a comparison? You may heal many people of many things but certain Symbols have certain purposes of physical, or emotional, mental, etc and will be used over and over again with Each person. This correlates to mathematical function, can you see? So we must learn the Form and Function of a lesson in order to better utilize what we Already have learned, when applying to the Next lesson (lessons, for example, that both test our newly-gained patience and make it Stronger with each equation/lesson). When we learn that energy is There, and interacting with us, this is one of the Initial lessons. When we learn the difference between what energy is coming to us because we have a particular Weakness for that energy (like, me and chocolate, lol) – which is different that energy that comes at me in the form of anger, because I have no Interest in anger but am (unfortunately) still interested in chocolate – we can Still apply what we have already learned to strengthen our learned lesson…. Mindfulness…or in my case, recognizing the energy-thought/desire, and holding it at arms length until I Decide if I want it, if it will benefit in some way, etc., to help me with desire for chocolate. Lol. Then when I am ‘tested’ with something Else that requires me to use the Same function of holding out the thought/deciding, I will Know to use it. Like when I desire Anything. Or when I have a desire to be lazy when I should be doing something else. Or when I am confronted with people I don’t get along with, and have a ‘desire’ to react to them, or pull away, etc. The possibilities for Recognizing the energy-interaction within each equation is Endless, but it becomes a matter of Awareness, First. Then recognizing the potential for Control….which is enough for this post, lol. Love and Wisdom, Mary Anne
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Post by donq on Jan 22, 2015 18:47:41 GMT
Hi Mary Anne,
There was the joke I read many years ago. It was a joke about the true signs from around the world. I want to talk about this one:
From a Japanese information booklet about using a hotel air conditioner:
Cooles and Heates: If you want just condition of warm in your room, please control yourself.
When I don't think about a joke or spirituality (embrace good and bad equally) for a while, the above sign reminds me of Gregory Bateson's work. He talked about the problem of adaptation like this:
A rise in the temperature of the room is the cause of the change in the switch of the thermostat? Or the action of the thermostat (as controlling) is the cause of the temperature of the room?
A crab had claws in order to hold things? Or the purpose of claws is not the causation of the development of claws?
The acrobat on the high wire maintains his stability by continual correction of his imbalance.
Hmm...I'm very sleepy now.
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 1:26:20 GMT
Mindfulness… when I am confronted with people I don’t get along with, and have a ‘desire’ to react to them, or pull away, etc. Some desires are appropriate; self-preservation for example, heh.
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Post by tribunalofmercy on Jan 23, 2015 1:34:19 GMT
I've read your post there a couple of times... The only thing I am Sure of, is that both cycles and self-fulfilling prophecies Exist. *scratches head*...gee, I guess since the Whole is spherical anyway, and past/present/future do not really exist, it may not Matter so much, huh? The whole crab-had-claws thing had me Thinking, and you Know that's not good for me I'm going to tell you part of a story, my friend - after my first marriage, I felt God did Not want me to get married again. So I was not Interested in another marriage...but a year later I was at a stoplight and got a waking vision of my son: what he would look like, what I would name him, and what he would Be like. ....did I take this calmly and responsibly? NO, I did Not; I was bipolar and was just Sure this 'sign from God' meant I was to run out and marry the first guy that came along, and have this wonderful child. ...which I did, lol - I was married (again) two weeks later. Seriously. To a man who, unknown to me, had been told by his doctor that he could Never have children. ahem. ...Long story short, we had a son, just like I saw in the vision. I got to watch the same doctor take an aspirin as he told my husband he Was the father, and he Was still sterile. However, the Funny part was not that....it was about my son's Name. You see, my husband and I did not speak the same language and he did not want to teach me (see how funny this is?) He did not understand until our son was Born, that GOd told me to name him what I did...it was then that my husband began to believe me, because he had a secret nickname as a child....which was the name God told me to name my son. So which came first? My child? The supposed "bipolar", random decision to marry the first man that said "yes" after the vision? (who turned out to have the exact childhood name as God said).... Or the vision God gave me of my son (shown to me as a 2-year-old boy) when I was just 10 years old - at summer camp - back when I did not even Understand what visions were? Did the crab have the claws first, or develop the claws because they were needed? In a linear world, these questions are Necessary. In a spherical one, they all happen at the Same Time. Me
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Post by tribunalofmercy on Jan 23, 2015 1:40:41 GMT
Self-preservation is an interesting concept, baangus And perhaps something to Consider. It's something I consider...not the first thing on my list anymore
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 1:58:24 GMT
We choose our karmic connections in the pre-birth state, before incarnating. If we were spiritually awake all the time we could read our life destiny like a Google map. But we all have epiphany moments from time to time, when spirit floods into us and these things all become crystal clear. Also, individuals with acute sensitivities - bi-polar would qualify - often experience these epiphany moments much more often and more clearly. It's no surprise that exact details such as the child's name would be shown... or more accurately would be remembered.
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 2:14:52 GMT
Self-preservation is an interesting concept, baangus And perhaps something to Consider. It's something I consider... not the first thing on my list anymore Sounds like you maybe misunderstood what I meant by self-preservation. As you said, there are people one simply doesn't get along with. That's life. It took me until my late 40s to realize I can't change others or the world. So there's no point in hanging around a person I don't get along with, trying to find a way to get along with them. It's a waste of time for both of us. In fact, what I discovered about my self is that I used to hang in there, and try to get along, and try to make things right, not because it was the noble thing to do, but because I wanted people to like me. I had such low self-esteem that I would hang around people who didn't like me and allow them to abuse me. I don't do that anymore. Now it's self-preservation and self-love. My life is very happy now without all that drama and noise. My life is happy BECAUSE I don't have all that noise going on.
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Post by lionl on Jan 23, 2015 5:41:33 GMT
We choose our karmic connections in the pre-birth state, before incarnating. If we were spiritually awake all the time we could read our life destiny like a Google map. But we all have epiphany moments from time to time, when spirit floods into us and these things all become crystal clear. Also, individuals with acute sensitivities - bi-polar would qualify - often experience these epiphany moments much more often and more clearly. It's no surprise that exact details such as the child's name would be shown... or more accurately would be remembered. How can you be sure this is true?
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 8:32:16 GMT
We choose our karmic connections in the pre-birth state, before incarnating. If we were spiritually awake all the time we could read our life destiny like a Google map. But we all have epiphany moments from time to time, when spirit floods into us and these things all become crystal clear. Also, individuals with acute sensitivities - bi-polar would qualify - often experience these epiphany moments much more often and more clearly. It's no surprise that exact details such as the child's name would be shown... or more accurately would be remembered. How can you be sure this is true? Hi lionl. One could type that in response to every statement made on every religious, spiritual and philosophical discussion forum on the internet, couldn't they? Heh.
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Post by lionl on Jan 23, 2015 8:35:38 GMT
Hi lionl. One could type that in response to every statement made on every religious, spiritual and philosophical discussion forum on the internet, couldn't they? Heh. One could. And one would not get a satisfactory answer.
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 8:37:15 GMT
Hi lionl. One could type that in response to every statement made on every religious, spiritual and philosophical discussion forum on the internet, couldn't they? Heh. One could. And one would not get a satisfactory answer. Time to stop typing it then I suppose!
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Post by lionl on Jan 23, 2015 9:04:59 GMT
"Time to stop typing it then I suppose!" No. Just because a question can't be answered does not mean that it shouldn't be asked. If we all thought like that then there would be no religions, no philosophies, no science... I'm just curious as your statement suggested that you knew for sure that what you were saying was true. Now, I have certain beliefs. But that is what they are, beliefs not facts. I don't know that they are true. I would like them to be but I cannot be sure. If you are sure that what you say is true then I'd like to know how so. I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just curious.
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 9:53:22 GMT
lionl, the biggest difference perhaps between religion and spirituality is that religious beliefs remain static and set. Dogma and doctrine. I'm a spiritualist. My few core beliefs fluctuate and change over time. That which I type today, I may not type tomorrow because something changed for me... my perspective, my understanding, my intuitive sense regarding what is true. Sounds like your approach is similar.
What we are reading when we read any individual's comments on a forum like this, is their belief in this particular moment. Nothing more or less, nothing deeper or more meaningful or more truthful than that. So you see, knowing that, there is no point in asking a person to explain how they happen to know this or that particular thing. Rather, the more meaningful examination would be to simply share what we know (or think we know).
Instead of asking a Christian how they know Jesus was the son of God, I would share with them my understanding regarding the esoteric and occult term "son." I don't need to question why they believe Jesus was the son of God. I already know why. They believe that because they follow that particular religion.
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Post by lionl on Jan 23, 2015 11:19:58 GMT
...there is no point in asking a person to explain how they happen to know this or that particular thing. Rather, the more meaningful examination would be to simply share what we know (or think we know). I see your point (thank you for explaining) but I disagree. Before accepting as truth any theory I need to see evidence for it. This goes for scientific proposals and spiritual/religious ones.
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 11:37:18 GMT
...there is no point in asking a person to explain how they happen to know this or that particular thing. Rather, the more meaningful examination would be to simply share what we know (or think we know). I see your point (thank you for explaining) but I disagree. Before accepting as truth any theory I need to see evidence for it. This goes for scientific proposals and spiritual/religious ones. I've read your posts and you make statements concerning God. How do you know God is real? What scientific proof do you have of that particular belief? The only truth in any of this is we all have our own truths. How does one person prove their truths and their beliefs to another? They can't, and that's the answer to your question and forever will be. As I said, it's at that point of recognition that it becomes time to stop asking others the question.
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 11:49:00 GMT
Truly, even life-lessons have their own ‘energy signature’, sort of like a mathematical equation lionl, an example of what I'm getting at using one of tribunalofmercy's statements. Do life lessons have their own energy signal? I have no idea. Can they be compared to mathematical equations? Perhaps, I don't know. But I don't question the truth regarding those statements. The truth regarding those statements is particular to tribunalofmercy. Knowing that then, there is no point in asking her to prove these statements as fact. It's like asking a person to prove to me what their reality is.
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Post by tribunalofmercy on Jan 23, 2015 11:50:34 GMT
It is never my intention to be rude, baangus, but I suppose I come across that way sometimes...I thank you for clarifying what you meant about self-preservation.
Anyway, this post feels awfully self-destructive now, which is part of the point of energy-interaction that hurts....I'm almost sorry I started it.
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 12:05:38 GMT
Anyway, this post feels awfully self-destructive now, which is part of the point of energy-interaction that hurts....I'm almost sorry I started it. tribunalofmecry, this comment appears to be at odds with what I take to be the message in your original post: "...now if I willingly accept a thought, or an emotion, into myself I am doing it with Awareness, whether it ultimately is a positive or negative in my life!"
It seems to me if you are willingly accepting of both the positive and negative, there would no feeling sorry about anything. I have no problem BTW with you or anyone being rude or what have you. All we're doing is discussing and clarifying.
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Post by tribunalofmercy on Jan 23, 2015 12:19:35 GMT
Thank you for showing me that Peace to you -
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Post by lionl on Jan 23, 2015 12:21:31 GMT
"I've read your posts and you make statements concerning God. How do you know God is real? What scientific proof do you have of that particular belief?"I have no 'scientific' proof. My reference to scientific theories was to say that I don't believe them unless I can understand them. To be told that the Earth orbits the sun makes little sense unless one understands Newton's theory of gravity. I have personal experience which works for me. I suppose then that you have had your own personal experiences which have convinced you that your beliefs are true?
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 12:27:25 GMT
I suppose then that you have had your own personal experiences which have convinced you that your beliefs are true? Of course lionl. Experiential wisdom... that's what I call it and have for three decades now.
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Post by baangus on Jan 23, 2015 12:28:46 GMT
Thank you for showing me that Peace to you - That's a happy post, thank you! Not that unhappy is necessarily bad...
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Post by donq on Jan 23, 2015 14:12:06 GMT
Hi Mary Anne,
You said, ”Anyway, this post feels awfully self-destructive now, which is part of the point of energy-interaction that hurts....I'm almost sorry I started it.”
Don’t be. Baangus just has unique way to say something. Though sometimes it seemed to be harsh, but with sincerely saying. I know this because I used to communicate to Baangus many times.
P.S. You could see that I avoided to used pronoun here as I still don’t know Baangus is he or she. I (and some members) also used to think that Ace was a woman. :-)
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Post by donq on Jan 23, 2015 14:13:12 GMT
Hi B,
Long time, no see.
I always wonder about an interaction on the forum. How far could we go? I mean, how to avoid (let me use Mary Anne words here), “energy-interaction that hurts?
Is there a way we could honestly exchange our views without turning it into that kind of energy-interaction?
Let me tell you my story. Some years ago, after my second divorce, I was trying a dating site. Yes, I was so stupid, I know. That time I just wanted someone to write to. And disaster happened every time I tried to be honest. For example, after I told the truth (I always did) to one of my penpal that I was poor. She wrote back to me immediately asking why I had to tell her that!?! Was I a kind of spam? And sure, she disappeared after that.
So, when should I write if one day I want to try dating site again? Or I should lie?
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Post by aceofcups on Jan 23, 2015 15:00:22 GMT
Thanks Monty ( donq)... now I know why you you asked me out on a date in chat in the past... lol
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Post by tribunalofmercy on Jan 23, 2015 16:07:07 GMT
"Affirmation without discipline is the beginning of delusion." - Jim Rohn Once there was a girl who had only love but no discipline, so she was Incomplete. She is still incomplete but she knows there is Balance to be found, for how could she hang her jacket over the back of the chair if it were not balanced to stay there?
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Post by cyberangel on Jan 23, 2015 17:08:28 GMT
Hi all I have been reading the interaction on this thread with much interest when two wonderful stories come to mind...I hope you all enjoy them as much as I did Love and Light (and PEACE ) The master and his disciple were talking at a street corner when an old woman came up to them: “Get away from my window!” shouted the old lady. “You are disturbing the customers”. The master apologised and crossed over to the other side. They went on talking until an officer came up to them and said: “We need you to move away from this side. The count will be passing by here in a few moments”. “Let him use the other side of the street”, answered the master, without moving. Then he turned to his disciple and told him: “Don’t forget: never be arrogant to the humble...And never be humble to the arrogant!” 2nd story...and one I hope sinks in the deepest The man spent ten years meditating in his cave, trying to find out the path to the Truth. While he was praying one afternoon, a monkey came up to him. The man tried to concentrate, but the monkey drew closer and seized the man’s sandal. “Damned monkey!” said the hermit. “Why have you come to disturb my thoughts?” “I’m hungry,” said the monkey. “Go away! You are disturbing my communicating with God!” “How can you talk to God if you cannot manage to communicate with humble creatures like me?” said the monkey. And the man apologized, feeling ashamed.
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Post by donq on Jan 23, 2015 22:20:22 GMT
To Ace, Yes, lucky that both of us cancel our date "in time." :-)
To Mary Anne, Hmm...if she were my lover, I would recommend, "your shirt might help your jacket getting its balance there, honey!"
To Lorriane, Good stories! Thanks.
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Post by tribunalofmercy on Jan 23, 2015 23:19:38 GMT
@ Monty - The poor girl...imagine trying to learn the Balance between emotion and discipline, and being distracted by such a Beautiful man....I bet she would want to get to Know such a man, hoping that he would understand she needs a Right balance, as she would hope he seeks the same for himself...so as to become what they should be.
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Post by donq on Jan 24, 2015 7:12:31 GMT
Hi Mary Anne,
Your story (about that girl) reminds me of any love story in this world. Doesn't anyone lover want to "complete" oneself that way? He/she needs to find his/her balance out there, from his/her lover. Maybe it works, and they could really fulfill each other, I don't know. I am not in the position to say anything about it because of the reason as you already knew.
No, I'm not a pessimist. And as a friend, I will not pretend to be cool before you. No, I was not cool. But that was already the past, my past.
After I passed my 50 (now I'm 54) I've look at love (and to be loved) in a new light. I think that love comes with time, rather the long one. I believe that a couple who have been together for more than 30 years, their love has changed a lot. It's not so thrill like when they were married anymore. But being more stable and solid. Sickness (pee and poo), old age and many wrinkles mean nothing to them. They love each other from their "inside."
What I mean by pee and poo is when one of them get sick, can the other one is willing to take care of them? I've just move to my brother's house 5 days ago because my mother has got cancer. I'm a freelance and can work anywhere so I come to take care of her every day (almost 24 hours a day) now. Yes, including taking care of her pee and poo, too, because she even cannot stand, so not to mention about walking to a restroom. :-)
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