How Do I Know Who Speaks To Me?

[tribunalofmercy]

Some of this today has to do with Mojomojo’s recent post; another part results from thinking about the chat room recently.




Robert, I am really able to relate to your description of the radical changes in your spiritual life, your thought processes, things you are now and may soon be experiencing…sometimes we even begin to have a more difficult time with anyone is not Awake, though I do Not like to be ‘here’ when those I love are still ‘there’, you know?   (We’ll talk about that one later)



Some folks believe in God; some believe in angels, many believe in devils, too – apparently there are many different ‘Beings’ out there beyond the range of our human vision, and it has been my experience that many of them are just Waiting for us to wake up or pay attention and Notice them; they all have things to Say, and not all of it is in our best interest. I do bring this up now for a Reason; whether those unseen beings are angels, devils, or all-things-in-between, they have often been around a Long Time, are smarter than we are and have likely been down this road before – with others.




Lots of people seem to be ‘waking up’ these days; lots of awareness – lots of Knowledge, but not all of it leads to Wisdom. If we become confused on our unfolding path by all the ’spirit guides, angels, entities, etc’ that swirl around us, sharing secrets, suggesting things, encouraging, confusing, etc – some people have cried, How can we Ever know who is “okay” and who is Not?




Now then. I have human desires that I still battle with, daily; if I didn’t, wouldn’t I be ascended already? I may work to Rid myself of them, though a Better answer might be simply to ‘rise above them’ – at least, as we understand that concept now….for example, I love chocolate. Lol, that is one thing handed to me since childhood as the answer to All of life’s problems, but it is not always good for me (too much sugar). I don’t keep it in my home lest I reach for it in a moment of quite Human weakness. Would someone who truly Loved me want me to keep reaching for something that is obviously not good for me?




One thing I have personally Never had to do battle with, is Hate; it is simply not in my Nature. When I See war or violence committed I do not become angry – I become Sad; it gives me pain, but I do not desire what they do; it does not Appeal to me. The same can be said for when hatred and violence has come Home to me personally, whether it has been directed toward me, or toward someone I love dearly….I have mentioned it before, and it simply Cannot ‘draw me in’ in that way. I am not Above it so much as ‘not in the same ballpark’ – does that make sense?




It seems that when people have various encounters with unknown presences, issues like “amorous relations” come up in conversation sometimes, as well as negative or condescending thoughts, emotional outbursts, lies and deceit. These are Human qualities, not those of being of higher vibrations, though those of lower vibrations can and often will Certainly be drawn in by the conflicts within us.




It’s another perspective of the basic Law of Attraction. Any being of lower vibration will Flock to activity in the lower vibrational range if “stuff is happening”, the same way people flock to a car accident (curiosity), or sensational news (curiosity And appeal, though they won’t admit it), or Sex (Definite appeal, though some may not admit it). See how it might work?




My own spiritual family (Arcturians) are Far past the point of being enticed by those things that appeal to humans in this way, as are All angels and beings of higher vibrations. They react the same way to all natural human behavior – just as I do to violence, or war. They Love us, they want to nurture and guide us, but there is no attraction to things that appeal to the dual nature of humanity.




To the point: If a being of Any sort truly seems to encourage your Human emotions, misdirects,, confuses, or attempts draws you Further from Source Love, that being Cannot be of higher vibration.




Throughout history we have consistently tried to bring ‘God’ closer to us by adding Human qualities to the Divine, when the Divine is Not human. Even I utilize a personified view of God, yet I know that any quality I might attribute is only seen in Part and from perspective; ‘God’ ultimately wants me to head toward the nature of Perfection, not remain comfortable where I am.




Love and Wisdom,


Mary Anne





(Next obvious step: So how do we raise our vibrations? lol
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[sparklekaz]

A really interesting post Mary Anne, you've made some really good points. The overall feeling I come away with from what you've written is that basically, we attract what we emit. And if something is not a fundimental part of our nature, as you've illustrated with your description of how you are around people who try to include you or draw you into to spite, hateful, conversations or situations.

I personally do not cope with in aggressive confrontational situations. I tend to shy away from the type of person who revels in it. And there are people who seem to get a real buzz out of being part of or creating drama. I can usually tell quite quickly what sort of people are like this. Thankfully, I don't get into those situations often. I think in the same way, when people worry about interacting with spirit that vibrate at this level, they would immediately sense it. I know they can be manipulative and deceptive. But I think instinctively we sense it.

Some nights I find it hard to get off to sleep and I do a very simple meditation to help me relax. Sometimes I see smiling faces and people who speak though I don't always hear them, and they wave as they go by. I really love it, I feel as if I'm being given a small window into the spirit world. Occasionally, a smiling face that comes close, makes me feel very uncomfortable and I don't know why, they look no different. So I mentally push them away. Suddenly the smiling face is transformed, it becomes angry, ugly and frightening. I push away harder and say a prayer of protection and it disappears. I think people need to be aware of energy that vibrates at this level when they open themselves up while meditating. To practice discernment, and trust their gut instincts.

I loved it when you said "Throughout history we have consistently tried to bring ‘God’ closer to us by adding Human qualities to the Divine, when the Divine is Not human. Even I utilize a personified view of God, yet I know that any quality I might attribute is only seen in Part and from perspective; ‘God’ ultimately wants me to head toward the nature of Perfection, not remain comfortable where I am". I totally agree. We have tried to attribute God with human qualities. And to be honest books like the bible haven't helped in this. When they talk of an angry, vengeful, jealous God, who punishes those who disobey him or transgress. Revenge, anger and jealousy, to me are the very basest of human emotions. So how can people really believe that God would embody these very human emotions. It is beyond me. I've always believed God to be a compassionate loving being who is the epitome of unconditional love and forgiveness. As was said in an earlier post, true unconditional love is beyond our ablities at this point in our evolution. Though we can try with all our hearts to aspire to it. I believe as you do, that God's wish for us, is to draw closer to and emulate him, rather than for us to make him more human.

Thank you for sharing

Love and light
Kaz

[mojomojo]

Hi all, I totally agree, that we attract to us, that which we give off, but does that mean anyone starting off on their spiritual path has to go through the procedural rites of passing through beings on the lower realms, until their vibratory rate is increased enough to allow them to bypass the astral.
If we have encountered beings in dreams or meditation, that have the capability of shape shifting, they seem to possess enough capability to deceive us wholeheartedly, and how did beings on the lower planes obtain such power.
Is it not enough to rise above the ego mind on the earth plane, that we commence again in the spiritual through more rites of passage.
Or have we reached a conclusion, that it is all never ending, each level you ascend, you start again, onwards and upwards.
One of the biggest problems for me lately, is seeing family suffer, seeing their fear, their anger, their deceitful ways and not been able to tell them.
I firmly believe that when people are ready to know they will ask, to try to offer it to someone, will usually leave you branded as off your head, the only in between is to try to drop a little seed that might get them thinking, but for the majority, they don't want to know.
They say everyone is called but few answer, I'am not sure about that one, looking at the populace at large, it would seem very few are called, and for some it's not a case of been called, but this is the way you have to go, might as well accept it and get cracking.
Someone put up a video of some Australian monk, he claimed he had no choice, he tried to give it all up and live a normal life, just would not happen for him,a phrase he used was, he did not find enlightenment, enlightenment found him, which kind of questions the free will part.

Robert.

[tribunalofmercy]

Robert, I do want to assure you that while your earlier post got me Thinking, I was not truly addressing the post to you, so much as choosing to open a window in case others are starting out on their journeys (or even along the journey) and have perhaps been opened to the kinds of knowledge and confusion that can Happen "out there", as humankind is so Very young...


I have expressed this on another board where some are more actively Seeking spiritual guidance from "beings out there", and I do feel their issues are more Immediate, but I truly have no idea who visits the GL site and for what purposes. I seem to be protected from lower planes, but it is an issue I see coming up even More frequently with all this 'rampant awakening', lol.


Kaz is both grounded and empathic, and Quite adept at discerning spiritual intent, which is a blessing



As to your thoughts, Robert - I wonder how many ways we are 'called' every day and do not recognize the call for what it is? If we are not in a position to Hear our call we may dismiss it over a Lifetime and remain asleep when light is all Around us. I have no excuse myself, for the call was issued and when I ignored it, it became Quite loud and invasive, lol.



....Anybody have a dog? Seriously. Imagine the routine: every day you come home, get the leash, whistle for your dog and the two of you have a Lovely romp in the park or somewhere. ...til one day you come home, get the leash, whistle for your dog and the DOG is under the Sofa, whining "uh-Uh. I'm not going THere." You see, on THis day you have plans to go to the vet. (you didn't even make the appointment call from the House, because you just Knew your dog would figure it out)...still the dog Knows, because you've got that "vet" aura All Over you, lol. It's the association that causes fear in the dog...

I've been like the dog in my past, aware of the Aura of Truth but Completely unwilling to rise to the occasion. Been under the sofa for Years, but the vet of my spiritual path was not so much frightening as Unknown - so I thought - which applies to All.


Do we have to get to the point of being Spiritually Sick to obey the call of God? So many feel that way, but that is not All you addressed in your response here. Even on chat yesterday is was mentioned that many are just more Content with their current ways and seem loathe to the occasion of being Good, and Pure, giving Up those worldly comforts of anger, lies, complacency, and all-things-easy...


How do they even Know that a true spiritual walk would require such a marked difference? Is it instinctive to recognize that such thoughts and emotions (anger, complacency, etc) are Not what Higher Truth desires? If that is not a call in Itself, I do not know what Is.


So often people do not give up smoking until they get cancer, or have a heart attack, etc. Or give up Any habit until it becomes Impossible to continue it. Is this not the nature of duality in some way? I submit that the spiritual journey is one that is Not human as we understand humanity now; it is embracing Loss of the illusion of human nature that has woven itself into our very base instinct; a turning aside and opening up to the Reality of how Limited our vision has become in this so-called Life.


I ask you, Robert, and all who understand, to Embrace the Pain of separation in your own thinking from those who do Not yet see, for it is this Pain that keeps us linked to them (others) in Love, until we grow and expand enough to be able to embrace them in Truth, which allows Love it's Perfect Work. Let he who hears....


Like the monk, I have no choice; God will not let me Go.

[mojomojo]

Hi all, Mary Anne, there was something in your original post that just kept niggling at me , when you asked who do we talk to? It's very similar to a question I used to ask myself, where does the power come from?
The first time I entertained spirituality seriously was back in the 90's, I'am one of those people, where it's 100 per cent or nothing, back then I was doing a lot of reading, and meditation, and occasionally played with Tarot cards, but I became unsure where all the power was coming from and ended up, packing it all in. I asked myself how do I know where all this is coming from, and I could not answer it.
Not trying to blow my own trumpet, but things seem to start happening for me very quickly, within months, and it's the speed and strength of it, that put me off first time round.
But then when I try to leave it all behind, life just seems to go down hill, if I have no contact with spirit, as in meditation, or prayer, my whole personality changes, and not for the better, which is why I will have mentioned in other posts about this free will idea.
Crazy isin't, when I don't entertain it, I get dragged back, when I do entertain it, I don't know what they want me to do with it.
It's enough to drive a fella to drink.

Robert.

[sparklekaz]

Hi Robert,

Rumi said “When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy.” And this I think answers your question. I know it says it all for me. I have always found, just like you, when I fall away from or stop doing things that feed my mind and heart of a spiritual nature. I don't feel happy, and I definitely don't feel as if I am living my life purposely in awareness.

I don't think we are 'pulled back' exactly. But there is definitely something inside us that is tugs away at us until we do turn back towards it. And this is why Rumi's words resonate with me so much. This tugging is I believe our higher self/soul trying to communicate with us. It is our true spiritual nature at work. When we veer away from that, we are not really being true to ourselves. Yes, life can interfere. It can be difficult to always make the time for spiritual practice especially when dealing with the demands of family and work. But without the inner calm and focus of a spiritual life, I find those things even harder to deal with. So it is well worth making the effort to maintain that 'me time'.

The other times when I have turned my face away from God/spiritual practice, have been when going through emotional pain and grief. But only for a little while. Without my beliefs and faith in a higher power I am like a little boat bobbing around, all lost at sea.

Love and light
Kaz

[tribunalofmercy]

Butterfly...cocoon....Seriously. Do you ever wonder how the butterfly handles the exhausting process of getting out of that darned self-woven prison? And yet, was not said self-woven prison part of Grand Design?

Next year I'm going to have to watch more closely, to see if the butterfly experiences "struggle...glass of wine and nap...more struggle....glass of wine and nap....more struggle...." lol

[mojomojo]

Absolutely classic, LOL,
When in doubt, keep butterfly's and cocoons in mind,
Brilliant.