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Post by knightofalbion on Jun 5, 2014 17:43:28 GMT
Having a NDE awakened and changed me in many ways. It also brought me full understanding that nobody is here on earth 'by accident', that we each have a purpose, something we came here to do in this lifetime, before we return 'home'.
When I look at the world, it seems that more and more, humans are living out there lives as if their sole purpose is to 'get', rather than concentrating on living their soul purpose ... which is to give
- Jules Lyons
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Post by baangus on Jun 6, 2014 11:24:15 GMT
Giving is important yes, In general though, I feel it's best to stay away from structured ideas of this kind, especially given everyone's soul journey is unique. But my view is heavily influenced by belief in reincarnation and the soul as eternal. See, we then don't need to do this or that particular thing in this lifetime. We have many lifetimes to experience it all and to accomplish all the soul evolution lessons we require in order to move on to the next plane of consciousness.
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sparklekaz
Someone asked me.. What is your religion? I said, "All the paths that lead to the light".
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Post by sparklekaz on Jun 6, 2014 11:57:57 GMT
I sometimes feel that the assumption that everyone is out for themselves to just acquire wealth and status is grossly overstated. We are talking about a percentage, that taken overall is not that high. For the most part, my experience of other people's lives and of course my own; is that they are more than happy with what they have if it is enough to 'live on', with a bit over for an annual holiday and unexpected expenses. The majority of people are caring for or worrying about someone. Trying to balance caring for their family and extended family members who are vulnerable and have special needs.
I have seen far more examples of selflessness and caring for others, then I have selfishness. I agree with Baangus about staying away from 'structured idea's' or assumptions. So many people seem to have a opinion or soapbox issue. Comments like 'we need to do more for others' or 'we are obsessed with material acquisition', 'people don't care for others only themselves', etc. I cared for my mum for years when she was ill and towards the end of her life. I had a child with serious health issues, and connected with many others in similar situations. I spent 8 years doing voluntary work and interacting with many others, who gave of their time and emotions to helping others. You would be amazed at how many people do this, officially, and unofficially. I've not met many who haven't come to this chat and forum, only worried about themselves, but desperately worried about someone else, and wanting to help. MY thoughts are that we are here to work at our own soul purpose, evolution. Having an opinion on or speculating on how other's live their lives, is ego and lack of self awareness. Or living is some kind of protected bubble of self delusion. Before looking outward, look inward. I know how easy it is to spout second hand the thoughts of others and get on the general consensus bandwagon. Just because a group of people believe something, doesn't make it so, or real. Live a life, connect with things as they truly are, or at least look properly, find out for yourself. Say I think, I believe, don't say 'we' as if you are speaking for the whole world. Let's face, it we know nothing other than what happens within our own circle or what we know. And I speak for myself here too. It's something I try to consciously do every day. I don't always succeed, but at least I try.
Love and light Kaz
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Post by baangus on Jun 6, 2014 12:28:24 GMT
I sometimes feel that the assumption that everyone is out for themselves to just acquire wealth and status is grossly overstated. We are talking about a percentage, that taken overall is not that high. I have seen far more examples of selflessness and caring for others, then I have selfishness. That perspective has been critical to my own self-development journey Kaz. I had to learn to stop with the generalizations of that kind, and just LOOK at the world and the actual reality: the actual reality being much brighter and happier and joyous than the reality I was often creating in my own thought world. That's been my soul purpose: to learn that in this lifetime. AND it relates back to the idea of giving in its own way. I now give the world my openness to it, I don't close down. And that openness translates as giving to others on one level, giving my openness to them. There are so many different possible soul expressions of a word like giving.
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sparklekaz
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Post by sparklekaz on Jun 6, 2014 12:42:48 GMT
Baangus said.. "I now give the world my openness to it, I don't close down. And that openness translates as giving to others on one level, giving my openness to them. There are so many different possible soul expressions of a word like giving".I totally agree with you Baangus. I have 'given' in some form my whole life. I am tired of listening to generalizations from those who have probably little real life experience at all. Some might say that is just my opinion, and this true. But I've learned over time that those who are the most open and tolerant, are those who have truly lived, fought their own battles and inner demons and come through with a compassion and openness that comes through what they write. I've come to believe that those who sit in judgement of others, do it to avoid looking into their own behaviour, attitudes and soul. There is a lot to be said for isolation, if nothing else but to rid ourselves of the contamination of all those thoughts and opinions of others, that keep trying to influence how we see the world and other people. “Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing
and rightdoing there is a field.
I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass
the world is too full to talk about.” Rumi
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Post by baangus on Jun 6, 2014 13:35:40 GMT
Oh my. Rumi gave me shivers and a flash of... what was that, a past life? A childhood dream? Where was I row, row, rowing to there for a second?
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Post by gruntal on Jun 6, 2014 15:09:28 GMT
Chalk up another enigma in the wonderfull world of spirituality: our "worthiness" is sought to be measured by our commitment to serve. And yet is our only purpose of doing so just for the benefit of the others? At some level even self improvement can be considered narcisstic. But how and why do we advance?
I can only relay the best advice I have been given. There is a price to be paid for everything but no bill will ever be sent. There are no creditors except your guilty conscience. WHY this is so will not be revealed untill after the end. That apparently is part of the bargain - to give and get without expectations.
Of course in the interim we can have fun and experiment. In that respect our success or lack there of has an interesting message of it's own. I don't know what but that is part of the journey of discovery.
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Post by donq on Jun 6, 2014 15:26:24 GMT
Hmm…somehow this thread reminds me of this so good dialogue. I think all of you know where it's from. "It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end...because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was...when so much bad had happened?...But in the end, it's only a passing thing...this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines, it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you...that meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories...had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going...because they were holding on to something." "What are we holding on to, Sam?" "That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for."
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Post by baangus on Jun 6, 2014 15:53:23 GMT
Hmm…somehow this thread reminds me of this so good dialogue. I think all of you know where it's from. "It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo... I bought the Extended Version DVD set years ago donq, 12 hours of LOTR. Watched it probably 2-3 dozen times now. Apparently one of my soul purposes had to do with 300+ hours of Frodo, Sam, Gandolf et al.
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Post by alvinw3 on Nov 27, 2014 7:03:17 GMT
In the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad bible it says before creation of the lower worlds, Souls in heaven played and didnt give to other Souls which bothered God and all Souls were the same not having indiveduality. We werent muture. Knowing Soul lives forever and having the qulitys of God, God created the lower worlds as a traning groung for Soul to spiritualy develop and have indivuality and to be a co-worker with God
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mojomojo
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Post by mojomojo on Nov 27, 2014 9:24:59 GMT
In a room full of saints, all a thief see's, is pockets.
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Post by alvinw3 on Nov 27, 2014 19:52:48 GMT
We have to remember the purpose of Soul, not thepurpose of humans and there state of conSciousness. Without Soul our human body would not live. The thred should read Souls purpose,or am I understanding this wrong?
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